No, although I see how you could have thought that from what I said. We know as a basic principle that God is immutable. But in Scripture this immutability is never defined in terms of static time. It always has God acting or having His being in relation to time, with what is constant about Him being His nature and attributes, not His relationship to the coming into being of events in sequence:
Psalms 102:24-27 I said, O my God, take me not away in the midst of my days: thy years are throughout all generations. (25) Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the work of thy hands. (26) They shall perish, but thou shalt endure: yea, all of them shall wax old like a garment; as a vesture shalt thou change them, and they shall be changed: (27) But thou art the same, and thy years shall have no end.So to say He is "completely changeless" is to say He does not truly act. Time is how we experience change. There is a moment in our time before God speaks from heaven, as He does in the Gospels, and a time after. Nothing in the purposes or character or knowledge or holiness or perfection of God changed, but He did introduce Hiimself as actively participating in our temporal existence. He spoke from Heaven in time. His speech, as all speech is, was controlled changed, a modulation of sound waves caused by His direct action among us as a Person. His love for us occurs in time, is expressed in time. And in our time, there is a moment called Now, which both God and we understand as distinct from all other moments, which is constantly advancing through the sequence of events that describe our reality.
Hebrews 10:9-12 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. (10) By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. (11) And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: (12) But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;So again, God does not ask us to choose between static or dynamic time, or some magic sci-fi conduit between the temporal and the atemporal. He simply tells us the deed is done, the propitiation of our sin accomplished, past tense, in the sacrifice of Christ on our behalf, and that we may rely upon it for the forgiveness of our sins. In other words, whatever speculations we may have about time, God has given us specific instruction to think of the offering of Christ on our behalf as a past event, upon which may be built our present and future redemption.
However, all this aside, I dont think any of this represents the true reason so many of you find this doctrine so viscerally repulsive. I will address that in the next post.
I saw your subsequent post, and believe it reflects a fundamental misunderstanding of our view of the atonement. You suggest we view it all as wrath, and not as love. I don't know where that comes from. There is an abundance of evidence in Protestant writing, preaching, hymnody, etc., that the sacrifice of Christ on our behalf is viewed as both the expression of God's wrath, and the revelation of the most amazing love that could ever be, from the heart of God direct to us.
I still remember when I first seriously contemplated what Jesus did for me, hanging there on the cross, seeing me in all my wretched filth, giving Himself for the very sins that were destroying my life, dying for me, personally, individually, known to him by name from before the foundation of the world, as the unworthy object of His undying love. It moved me to tears, and still does. It is what I remember about Him when I partake of the bread and the fruit of the vine, at that moment joined together in spirit with all other Christians of all ages, by the same Spirit of God who indwells everyone who believes, all because of the amazing grace of the eternal God, who loved us, and gave Himself for us.
Peace, SR
Ah but who, pray tell, is doing that? The vast majority of Christians who walked upon this earth for 2000 years have accepted on simple faith that "this is my body" and "this is my blood" and "do this in memory of me" mean literally what they say. Any philosophy we have applied to the problem (e.g transubstantiation) is simply by way of explanation--not proof. Before there was the philosophy there was still the belief. And even those moderns who refuse the philosophical explanation outrightOrthodox, non-Chalcedonianstill share our belief.
Meanwhile, Luther argued with Zwingli, and nothing but confusion reigned from there.
Which position, then, is more likely to be the vain human philosophy? That which supposedly lay invisible and dormant for 1000+ years and then suddenly re-emerged in the 16th century in an array of contradictory beliefs all claiming to be Apostolic? Or that which was actually held without any divergence from Apostolic times? The "churches" named after the particular men who birthed them--Lutheran, Calvinist? Or the churches to whom no name can possibly be attached: the Catholic Church, the Orthodox Church?