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To: Claud; metmom; Iscool; Jmouse007; jimmyray
What does past tense mean to God? What does “gone now” mean to God? You are using terms that only apply to us limited humans and mean nothing to God. God is outside time and space.

That is some much desperate special pleading, as it is not really applicable to the issue and would make any reference to beginnings and cessations meaningless.

For while it is true that God is outside time and space, we are dealing with His revelation which deals with us in time and space. In which He speaks of beginnings and culminations, including the creation of the universe and the work of atonement, while your hermeneutic here would make such parameters in revelation irrelevant.

The Holy Spirit repeatably states the atonement was a one time offering, but you make the Mass into an ongoing atonement, "a sacrifice of propitiation, by which God is appeased and rendered propitious," as by it He "offers himself a most acceptable Victim to the eternal Father, as he did upon the Cross," if you will be consistent with such RC teaching.

By “bloodless” sacrifice we mean that there is no *new* shedding of blood

But that Christ continues to offer it as an atonement, while Scripture states that was done and finished, and souls appropriate the benefits by effectual faith in the gospel of salvation, not be consuming physical food of any sort.

”This IS my body, this IS my blood”.

Which obviously, in the light of the rest of Scripture, did not mean Christ was in their stomach while He say before them, any more than David poured actual human blood out on the ground as an offering to the Lord, though he plainly stated,

And the three mighty men brake through the host of the Philistines, and drew water out of the well of Beth–lehem, that was by the gate, and took it, and brought it to David: nevertheless he would not drink thereof, but poured it out unto the Lord. And he said, Be it far from me, O Lord, that I should do this: is not this the blood of the men that went in jeopardy of their lives? therefore he would not drink it. These things did these three mighty men. (2 Samuel 23:16-17)

38 posted on 11/09/2014 10:22:57 AM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: daniel1212

So let me see if I get your point here. God’s Eternal vantagepoint of the Universe is *not really applicable to the issue*?

Funny, I’d think it was more applicable to the issue than our own.

Is it true, or is it not true, that Calvary, like every other moment in time, is eternally present to God the Father who lives in the Eternal Now?


47 posted on 11/09/2014 1:03:56 PM PST by Claud
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