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The Removal of a Great Cardinal - his head on a plate
Rorate Caeli ^ | November 12, 2014 | Roberto de Mattei

Posted on 11/12/2014 4:47:52 PM PST by ebb tide

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To: BlatherNaut

Yes, I believe you are right.


21 posted on 11/12/2014 8:10:49 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: Mrs. Don-o

He’s a Jesuit! I’ve endured many of their verbal gymnastics.


22 posted on 11/13/2014 1:27:25 AM PST by namvolunteer (Obama says the US is subservient to the UN and the Constitution does not apply. That is treason.r)
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To: kindred

Why do you go to the Bible to get “truth,” instead of going directly to God?


23 posted on 11/13/2014 2:47:20 AM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: BlatherNaut

Francis’s “evenhanded” closing speech, wherein he outlined the faults of “both sides,” was prolefeed. He is a man of the hard left, and a nasty, vindictive one.


24 posted on 11/13/2014 2:48:58 AM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: NKP_Vet
If Benedict or JP2 were Pope and a bishop came out and openly defied Church doctrine, which is defying Christ himself, his head would roll and he would no longer be a practicing priest, but less a bishop.

I am afraid this last sentence is fantasy. Bernardin, Weakland, and a host of others, ran absolute cesspools of corruption, and were never touched. JPII and BXVI both made explicit statements about giving Communion to pro-aborts, and were ignored by almost all bishops.

25 posted on 11/13/2014 2:55:51 AM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: ebb tide

One thing I’m concerned with, that hasn’t been mentioned very much, is that Cardinal Burke’s replacement isn’t much of a canon law expert. Apparently, while he has some education (decades ago) in canon law, the vast majority of his background is in international relations/diplomacy, with an emphasis in Islamic Relations. Basically, a Vatican ‘policy wonk’.

Does he truly have the ‘chops’ to deal with the Signatura issues? Or was he brought in to finesse (diplomat-ize) the language used in next year’s Synod??

I’m not trying to propose conspiracy theories, but this issue with Cardinal Burke (and so much around Francis) has more layers than a dobosh torte. I so miss Benedict XVI and his gentle professor style, intellect, and clarity.


26 posted on 11/13/2014 3:10:02 AM PST by SweetAkitoRose (lurking since 1998)
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To: SatinDoll; OldNavyVet
The second largest Christian church in the world, with 300 million adherents, is now much closer to the original Church as founded by Christ and his apostles. It also has extensive experience surviving communism and hasn't been hijacked by homosexuals. Wiki: Eastern Orthodox Church
27 posted on 11/13/2014 3:41:58 AM PST by Reeses
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To: Reeses

Why do you think the “Orthodox Church” hasn’t been attacked by the homosexuals?


28 posted on 11/13/2014 5:51:26 AM PST by piusv
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To: piusv
Why do you think the “Orthodox Church” hasn’t been attacked by the homosexuals?

Perhaps because fewer of them have been able to get inside the gates?

29 posted on 11/13/2014 5:55:10 AM PST by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: ebb tide
"May I assume you did not sign the petition thanking Cardinal Burke for his service?"

Hey, thanks for asking, ebb tide. No, you may not assume. Because I did sign the petition, put it on my Facebook page, and sent it on to friends.

The continual bitter anti-papal talk is in polar contrast to the precepts and practices of the saints. Try to imitate the tone and spirit of St. Catherine of Siena, if you will --- who was no dummy as to the corruption of the papacy and much of the upper clerisy in her day. If we respect Fr. Burke and the Franciscans of the Immaculate, we would honor them more honestly by following their example.

30 posted on 11/13/2014 6:40:29 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Jesus, my Lord, my God, my All.)
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To: ebb tide

You are concerned about title, position and prestige. Cardinal Burke is not. That’s a major difference between you and Burke.


31 posted on 11/13/2014 6:41:44 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Jesus, my Lord, my God, my All.)
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To: BlatherNaut
You'll not find me a defender of Kasper and his coterie --- Marx, Baldisseri, Forte --- all followers of Hans Kung and purveyors of his errors.

So to look at Burke's position with the Knights of Malta --- prescinding from any judgment of Pope Francis' motives, which we cannot know unless he tells us --- he has been positioned to land solidly on his feet. He now has no immediate ecclesiastic superior --- in other words, he doesn't have to run anybody else's errands. He is surrounded by practically an affinity group of wealthy and influential supporters. If they already comprise a Christifideles Brigade, he's been installed at the head of it.

Burke is now free to speak, write, organize, agitate, pray, work, influence exactly as he is led by the Spirit to do so, and richly endowed by the practical, temporal resources he would need to do just that.

I hardly think Francis is so stupid that he wouldn't realize that. So it falls within either Francis' positive or his permissive will.

You watch. I'm thinking 2015 is going to be a very interesting year.

32 posted on 11/13/2014 6:53:13 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Jesus, my Lord, my God, my All.)
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To: BlatherNaut

Watch it, BlatherNaut. Not so. Not for all.


33 posted on 11/13/2014 6:54:03 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Jesus, my Lord, my God, my All.)
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To: namvolunteer

Yeah, he’s a Jesuit. So are Jame sSchall and Joseph Fessio. I know the modern day Jesuits are not the order envisioned by Ignatius -— far from it, in fact -— but I also know men well formed in the Faith who have SJ after their names.


34 posted on 11/13/2014 6:57:26 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Jesus, my Lord, my God, my All.)
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To: piusv

Because the Orthodox Church is orthodox?


35 posted on 11/13/2014 7:01:14 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: Reeses; SatinDoll; OldNavyVet; don-o
I want you to know that I esteem and love the Orthodox Church and regard its spiritual heritage as very, very valuable. And I have strong personal connections with Orthodoxy, having been a kind of Catholic-Catechumen in an Russian Orthodox parish for ten years.

Having said that, I also have to add a corrective note that Orthodoxy collapsed on the divorce-remarriage question and the natural-sex-vs-contraception question ages ago --- collapsed at just those points where the corrupt culture was pushing hardest.

And about Russian Orthodoxy's relationship with the Soviet KGB and now Putin's regime --- and Metropolitian Hilarion's calculated decision to use State power to crush the Ukrainian Byzantine church ---- Orthodoxy's most loyal supporters would prudently keep their mouths shut.

36 posted on 11/13/2014 7:10:09 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Jesus, my Lord, my God, my All.)
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To: Mr. Lucky; piusv
Of Orthodox interest.

And tagline.

37 posted on 11/13/2014 7:14:25 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("Let us commend ourselves and each other, and all our life unto Christ our God." Liturgy of St.John)
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To: piusv
Why do you think the “Orthodox Church” hasn’t been attacked by the homosexuals?

90% of Orthodox Catholic Church priests are married. Some of the original Twelve Apostles were also married. The Roman Catholic Church in America has been seriously damaged from within by homosexual priests.

38 posted on 11/13/2014 7:17:59 AM PST by Reeses
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To: livius

I liked him immediately - and it’s still hard to not like the guy.
I was more uneasy when he started expressing his views on economics. It wasn’t so much that I disagreed with him - but that he appeared to be assigning the worst possible motives to people he viewed as opposing him (motivated by greed - little concern for the poor ... Etc)
With one group he will say, “who am I to judge?”
And yet when it comes to capitalism? It sounds JUDGEY.

This whole thing with Cardinal Burke has raised by queasiness up a few notches.


39 posted on 11/13/2014 7:20:23 AM PST by Scotswife
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To: Mrs. Don-o; Reeses; Mr. Lucky
Having said that, I also have to add a corrective note that Orthodoxy collapsed on the divorce-remarriage question and the natural-sex-vs-contraception question ages ago --- collapsed at just those points where the corrupt culture was pushing hardest.

Thank you. Way too many people seem to think the "Orthodox" Church is the answer, the "orthodox" answer. How wrong they are. I find it very sad and alarming how many Catholics look to the Orthodox as a result of the crisis in the Catholic Church.

40 posted on 11/13/2014 7:29:48 AM PST by piusv
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