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The Removal of a Great Cardinal - his head on a plate
Rorate Caeli ^ | November 12, 2014 | Roberto de Mattei

Posted on 11/12/2014 4:47:52 PM PST by ebb tide

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To: NKP_Vet

I was always crystal clear.

We are a self-governing people. If you vote to put pro-abortion people in office, then you share in the guilt for all the abortions that take place. And pro-abortion people are people of BAD CHARACTER. They are intellectually dishonest and violent. If you vote for them, you are voting to be governed by murderers and liars. Can you think for a moment that that is not sinful?

There were plenty of old Democrats in the parishes who refused to talk to me. They were convinced that “religion” had nothing to do with “politics.”

You know. “Religion” is about candles. And men in dresses. “Politics” is about farm subsidies and other grownup stuff.


61 posted on 11/13/2014 2:44:09 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: BlatherNaut
The probability of this may well be disputed, but I think it is possible that Pope Francis is giving his hand-picked "Class of '68" guys enough rope to hang themselves. Kasper, it seems, has been bolder and bolder in proclaiming his heterodox ideology, provoking more and more concern from the more orthodox bishops --- even a hefty segment of the 200+ synod bishops, all of whom were ---as you say --- hand-picked.

I think Kasper is digging his grave with his mouth. The Africans, the Poles, many of the other bishops have gotten the message, now, that they have to organize to expose and defeat this guy. And when I say "expose" --- he is exposing himself.

My husband and I once knew a canny real estate investor whose business motto was, "Don't talk too much: let the other guy talk too much." That could be (I don't say "is," but "could be") Pope Francis' overall strategy with his KasperKungs.

That's why I think Pope Francis' parallel appeal to the upcoming conference on Man-and-Woman Complementarity as the basis of marriage is extremely interesting.

If I may quote myself at that site:


Set up by Müller of CDF, trumpeted by three promotional videos, live-streamed over the Internet, focusing on the thought of St. John Paul II (Theology of the Family), welcoming Evangelical and other non-Catholic leaders who had signed a petition asking Pope Francis to strengthen the Church's traditional affirmation of man-woman marriage and rejection of non-marital unions.

To be addressed by Müller, Koch, Tauran, Paglia, and Chaput.

These people are not being silenced. They are being showcased.

And they are being welcomed at their first morning session by Pope Francis.

I must say this is getting curiouser and curiouser.


62 posted on 11/13/2014 2:44:51 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("Let us commend ourselves and each other, and all our life unto Christ our God." Liturgy of St.John)
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To: NKP_Vet

You might ask him what’s it’s like, living without testicles. Or, then again, you might not.

Sad.


63 posted on 11/13/2014 2:46:24 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: BlatherNaut
"Without denying the moral problems connected to homosexual unions it has to be noted that there are cases in which mutual aid to the point of sacrifice constitutes a precious support in the life of the partners."

I can see the obvious dangers of this statement. But what is Pope Francis' intention? He has kept this statement at the forefront of the debate. I am sure that some of the bishops will use this as their opportunity, not to endorse it, but to dissect it and refute soundly its most damaging implications.

Why do I say "dissect" before I say "refute"? Because the statement is not, so to speak, "grammatically" correct, only rhetorically seductive.

Surely "mutual aid to the point of sacrifice" DOES constitute "a precious support" in any relationship between people, whether the overall relationship is sound or not. There might be mutual aid between multiple wives in a polygamous relationship; or between husband and wife in a divorce/remarriage (objectively adulterous) relationship, or between longtime spouses in a Common-law marriage. To say this, is not to endorse polygamy or divorce/remarriage or a common-law marriage, but only to say that the strands of "mutual aid and support to the point of sacrifice" are humanly valuable even if the union is not valid.

The rhetorical force derives from the fact that this is true. The rhetorical danger is that it seems to endorse nonmarital sexually-involved unions as God-pleasing or good when in fact they are organized around a gravely morally objectionable sexual feature.

So the statement has to be dissected, and then refuted.

Do you think there is not one bishop in world with brains enough to do that?

Burke, Müller, Koch, Tauran, Paglia, and Chaput can do it, I am sure --- and many others as well.

And Burke could be our next Pope.

Oremus.

64 posted on 11/13/2014 3:00:41 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("Let us commend ourselves and each other, and all our life unto Christ our God." Liturgy of St.John)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Of course I’m concerned about title and so was Cardinal Burke concerned about his title as the Prefect of the Supreme Tribunal of the Apostolic Signatura.

Cardinal Burke, in that office, apparently took his office too seriously for the likes of Francis; Burke was just a little too Catholic in his rulings and pronouncements for the Bishop of Rome, who refuses to take his own title seriously; he won’t even call himself a hope. He openly sat there and let dissident bishops spout heresy and propose the condoning of mortal sin and compounding it with more mortal sin. If Francis had acted like a Catholic Pope, he would have immediately shut-down all further evil talk and Kasper’s head would have rolled.

There is no difference between Cardinal Burke and myself; but there’s a huge difference between Burke and Bergoglio.


65 posted on 11/13/2014 5:39:22 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: Mrs. Don-o
The probability of this may well be disputed, but I think it is possible that Pope Francis is giving his hand-picked "Class of '68" guys enough rope to hang themselves.

So he's promoting orthodoxy by surrounding himself with heterodox operatives. Such a Baldrick-style "cunning plan".

I think Kasper is digging his grave with his mouth.

He was already dead and buried. Pope Francis went and dug him up.

66 posted on 11/13/2014 5:47:10 PM PST by BlatherNaut
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To: Mrs. Don-o; BlatherNaut
I hardly think Francis is so stupid that he wouldn't realize that.

"Stupid", no. "Evil", most likely.

Over a year ago, Francis promised the parents of an FOTI priest that the persecution of his order would "soon" end. Someone else also promised that if I liked my doctor, I could keep my doctor.

67 posted on 11/13/2014 5:47:56 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: Mrs. Don-o
So the statement has to be dissected, and then refuted.

It should have been eliminated before rearing its ugly head in public. Inexcusable for a Pope to publish a statement which imputes good to an intrinsic evil.

68 posted on 11/13/2014 5:49:54 PM PST by BlatherNaut
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To: BlatherNaut
He was already dead and buried. Pope Francis went and dug him up.

Touché

69 posted on 11/13/2014 6:09:03 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

“There is no difference between Cardinal Burke and myself; but there’s a huge difference between Burke and Bergoglio”.

Amen.


70 posted on 11/13/2014 7:12:33 PM PST by NKP_Vet ("PRO FIDE, PRO UTILITATE HOMINUM")
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To: ebb tide

I was hoping y’all meant the current pro amnesty liberation theology bums


71 posted on 11/13/2014 7:16:45 PM PST by wardaddy (todays republicans are worse than reconstruction era.....and that takes effort)
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To: ebb tide

I was hoping y’all meant the current pro amnesty liberation theology bums


72 posted on 11/13/2014 7:16:46 PM PST by wardaddy (todays republicans are worse than reconstruction era.....and that takes effort)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Three days ago, we talked about Jesuits and now Marquette bans discussion of Canon Law.
I hope the next pope disbands the Jesuits and has Cardinal Burke drill the Ex-Jesuits in orthodoxy and then put them in parishes.
Even better, elect Burke pope and disband all orders.
Put all Catholic schools, including universities, under the Vatican teaching Canon Law.


73 posted on 11/18/2014 4:31:32 PM PST by namvolunteer (Obama says the US is subservient to the UN and the Constitution does not apply. That is treason.r)
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To: namvolunteer

Where do I go to vote?


74 posted on 11/18/2014 4:43:51 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Burke for Pope.)
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