Posted on 11/15/2014 1:56:37 PM PST by NYer
IF indeed!
Nice 'logic' statement!
You really must get better with your strawmen, IF you're going to prove anything.
The correction follows:
Mary IS the most venerated person in the early Church—more than any of the apostles.
Sorry. But rational discussion is impossible with you. You are too bigoted.
Principles are always “if-then” statements. A principle is stated, then the facts are plugged in.
You are obviously unfamiliar with how a deductive argument is constructed. You have never actually studied logic, have you?
You don’t even know the meaning of the term “straw man.”
I invite you to notice that you still haven’t answered my question: Given the known propensity of the earliest Christians to treasure physical relics of the saints, how do you explain the total absence from history of any corpse or any relics of the Blessed Virgin Mary?
OOOH!
I've been called ugly by a toad!
It seems that way; but I can always hope you'll improve.
Sure I answered your red herring; but you cannot abide it.
Given the known propensity of the earliest Christians to treasure physical relics of the saints, how do you explain the total absence from history of any corpse or any relics of the Blessed Virgin Mary?
John 21:25
Are not you Catholics the guys that just LOVE to toss this in PROTESTant faces?
What conceivable connection is there between John 21:25 and the question of Mary’s corpse?
You seem to have picked up that “red herring” and “straw man” are pejoratives, but haven’t taken the trouble to find out what they mean.
In the same sentence...
In the same sentence...
I haven't?
Who knew!
I’ll help you. All you need to do is complete the sentence:
Despite the early Church’s well-known practice of preserving, treasuring, and venerating relics of John the Baptist, the apostles, the martyrs, and other saints, and preserving their tombs, the early Church never did any of these things with respect to the body or tomb of the Blessed Virgin Mary, BECAUSE...
Despite the early Church’s well-known practice CLAIM of preserving, treasuring,
Okay. I’ll help you again:
Despite the early Church’s well-known CLAIM of preserving, treasuring, and venerating the bodies (or parts of bodies, i.e., relics) of John the Baptist, the apostles, martyrs, and other saints, there is a total absence of any CLAIMED relics of the Blessed Virgin Mary from history BECAUSE...
She was just the mother of the son of God at that time. No need for veneration or knowledge of her after the mention of her in Acts 1 where she is listed along with her other
sons, the brothers of our Lord, who became cousins to aline with the claim of her being a perpetual virgin.
It was 300 plus years later when she became the mother of God that all the special attributes and veneration became necessary. By then, nobody could remember where she ended her days and/or what happened to her remains.
All is not lost. With no relics, we can claim she was assumed into heaven. Our religion is not based on scripture alone as we proudly boast. Jesus is the head of our church but He gave Peter and his successors the right to be the teaching authority. We call that the magisterium. Anything they decide is as if God said it. For all practical purpose, it is our God.
Hope this is of help, BVB
**brothers of our Lord,**
The term “brothers of the Lord” was used for cousins. Mary had no other children.
‘cut to the chase’ comes to mind.
No one in the EARLY church considered her that important.
No one in the EARLY church considered her that important.
Riiiiight.
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