Posted on 11/24/2014 1:07:14 PM PST by NYer
You’re the only Catholic left on the thread, I bet you’re laughing with all of us Protestants disagreeing. lol
“There were about 30 posts dealing with the sixth day creation before I arrived, some yours, so you have more posts on it than I do.”
None of them, that I saw, made any mention of race, we were discussing it in a different context.
“And it was you that brought up the curse of Cain and “subhumans”, which has nothing to do with the sixth day creation.”
Sure, I brought it up, to ask if you were a subscriber to that old ideology, since some of your posts seemed to suggest you were veering towards that territory.
“In my example I said more than 400 years.”
Well, there have been a lot more than 400 years since the flood, so why couldn’t the changes have been due to environmental selection? We see the same types of changes in groups that migrated to new environments more recently than other groups, such as the melanesians and aborigines. For a long time, people assumed they had to have descended from sub-Sarahan Africans to have such “negroid” features, but the genetics show that is not the case. The features developed independently and were not passed down from their ancestral group.
If you can’t state your principle, such that it can be objectively applied by others, then what else can I assume?
As it stands, you have basically said that there is a special way to interpret the Bible in order to get the real meaning, but you will not divulge the method so that others can apply it. So, essentially, if you were correct, you would be appointing yourself “Pope” of Biblical interpretation, since nobody else could reliably interpret anything, not having access to this secret principle of yours.
Now, obviously that is ridiculous and cannot be true. God did not reserve the truth of Scripture for you alone. So, I am left only with the possibility that your principle doesn’t really exist, or why else would you not divulge it?
“there is definitely sound historical basis to support that interpretation”
That’s probably an understatement, since that is the only way the text was understood historically, by both the Jews and early Christians. It was not until very recently that people became “squeamish” about the implications and started positing other explanations.
lol
Sure, I brought it up, to ask if you were a subscriber to that old ideology, since some of your posts seemed to suggest you were veering towards that territory.
Well, you're dead wrong and making false assumptions. Why not stick to what is being actually being said. It would be a more honest way of discussing this.
We have accurate drawings and statues of different peoples. In 400 years here in America with our temperate climate, the peoples from tropical areas have not changed. 2350BC plus 400 years is 1950BC, getting into the time of Jacob Israel, and so there is no way the varieties of peoples on the earth evolved in that short of period of time. God has had to have saved them from before Noah somehow.
“In 400 years here in America with our temperate climate, the peoples from tropical areas have not changed.”
You are comparing apples to oranges. Those people in America are not starting from a pre-flood genome and then adapting, so the starting point is different, and the changes that would need to occur in the genome are also different. We also have plenty of interbreeding in America to muddy the waters, so I doubt any such subtle changes over time would be easily distinguishable from the effects of interbreeding on the population.
“God has had to have saved them from before Noah somehow.”
I think God would know if He did, but instead, God told us He only saved eight souls. I’m sorry, but I’m going to have to believe God over you in this matter.
“Well, you’re dead wrong and making false assumptions.”
In order to be wrong, I’d have had to make an assertion, which I didn’t do. I simply asked a question.
I've told you the principle, to rightly divide the word as we're instructed to do:
2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth
I guess that may not mean much to some but to me it means to think of the situation and use discernment to put the verses being studied in the proper context.
As it stands, you have basically said that there is a special way to interpret the Bible in order to get the real meaning, but you will not divulge the method so that others can apply it.
Of course there is a special way to understand God's Word! It's not meant for hypocritical Pharisees, scripture lawyers with evil intentions, or those who do not study to show themselves approved. Jesus himself said it is meant for only those that He wants to understand:
Luk 8:10 And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.
All you have to do is study and you're approved.
So, essentially, if you were correct, you would be appointing yourself “Pope” of Biblical interpretation, since nobody else could reliably interpret anything, not having access to this secret principle of yours.
I am not pope. "Pope" means "father". Only God is father. I simply study to show myself approved. Anyone can do the same if they would just not be so hard-headed and listen to the Word like a child would. Some are so filled with political correctness that they would rather play gotcha with a race card, as an example, rather than opening their mind to God's word to have further understanding.
Now, obviously that is ridiculous and cannot be true. God did not reserve the truth of Scripture for you alone.
There will be 7000 of us, not just me. Only 7000 will not worship antiChrist when he arrives. The rest are more into playing games and playing church rather than preparing themselves for the great deceiver. It's so easy to one of the 7000 out of 7 billion, don't fall for the great deceiver.
So, I am left only with the possibility that your principle doesn’t really exist, or why else would you not divulge it?
It takes study.
You totally misread Cvengr's post. lol
I would think interbreeding would hasten everyone to be more similar. That has not happened to a great degree.
A question based on a false assumption, which you admitted to.
Ding ding ding!
Dinner’s ready! You boys all wash up and come to dinner now. You can play the games after the dishes are done.
lol It’s that time of the thread, I think we’re going in circles.
No, if I had assumed something, then I wouldn’t have bothered to ask you the question. I observed that something might be the case, and asked a question to determine if it was true or not. You’re really reaching here trying to condemn me for asking you a question.
“I would think interbreeding would hasten everyone to be more similar. That has not happened to a great degree.”
Says who? Black Americans are easily observed to be several shades lighter, generally, than black Africans. I’m sure if anyone bothered to do a scientific analysis, they could find other similar changes due to interbreeding.
No, I did not.
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