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Did Adam and Eve Really Exist?
Crisis Magazine ^ | November 24, 2014 | DENNIS BONNETTE

Posted on 11/24/2014 1:07:14 PM PST by NYer

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Pure myth! That is today’s typical view of a literal Adam and Eve. Yet, contrary to current skepticism, a real Adam and Eve remain credible—both in terms of Catholic doctrine and sound natural science.

By calling the Genesis story a “myth,” people avoid saying it is mere “fantasy,” that is, with no foundation in reality at all. While rejecting a literal first pair of human parents for all mankind, they hope to retain some “deeper” truth about an original “sinful human condition,” a “mythic” meaning. They think that the latest findings in paleoanthropology and genetics render a literal pair of first true human parents to be “scientifically impossible.”

The prevailing assumption underlying media reports about human origins is that humanity evolved very gradually over vast periods of time as a population (a collection of interbreeding organisms), which itself originally evolved from a Homo/Pan (human/chimpanzee) common ancestor millions of years ago. Therefore, we are not seen as descendants of the biblical Adam and Eve.

This universal evolutionary perspective leads many Catholics and others to conclude that a literal Adam and Eve is “scientifically impossible” for two reasons: First, paleoanthropologists deny the sudden appearance of intelligent, self-reflective, fully-human primates, but rather view the emergence of consciousness and intelligence as taking place slowly and incrementally over long periods of time. Second, in light of recent findings in molecular biology, especially from studies based on genetic data gleaned from the Human Genome Project, it is claimed that the hominin population (the primate group from which modern man is said to have arisen) has never had a bottleneck (reduced population) of a single mating pair in the last seven or more million years: no literal Adam and Eve. Many succumb to the modernist tendency to “adjust” Church teaching to fit the latest scientific claims—thus intimidating Catholics into thinking that divinely revealed truths can be abandoned—“if need be.”

This skepticism of a literal Adam and Eve begs for four much needed corrections.

First, Church teaching about Adam and Eve has not, and cannot, change. The fact remains that a literal Adam and Eve are unchanging Catholic doctrine. Central to St. Paul’s teaching is the fact that one man, Adam, committed original sin and that through the God-man, Jesus Christ, redemption was accomplished (Romans 5:12-21; 1 Cor. 15: 21-22). In paragraphs 396-406, the Catechism of the Catholic Church, speaks of Adam and Eve as a single mating pair who “committed a personal sin, but this sin affected the human nature that they would then transmit in a fallen state” (CCC, 404). “Baptism, by imparting the life of Christ’s grace, erases original sin and turns a man back toward God, but the consequences for nature, weakened and inclined to evil, persist in man and summon him to spiritual battle” (CCC, 405). The doctrines surrounding original sin cannot be altered “without undermining the mystery of Christ” (CCC, 389).

Today, many think that Pope Pius XII’s encyclical Humani generis did not definitively exclude theological polygenism. What they fail to notice, though, is that the Holy Father clearly insists that Scripture and the Magisterium affirm that original sin “proceeds from a sin truly committed by one Adam [ab uno Adamo]” and that this sin is transmitted to all true human beings through generation (para. 37). This proves that denial of a literal Adam (and his spouse, Eve) as the sole first genuinely human parents of all true human beings is not theologically tenable.

Second, rational human nature itself requires that mankind made an instant appearance on planet Earth. Paleoanthropological claims of gradual appearance of specifically human traits fail to comport with a true philosophy of human nature. Reflecting classical Christian thought, St. Thomas Aquinas demonstrates that true man is distinguished essentially from lower animals by possession of an intellectual and immortal soul, which possesses spiritual powers of understanding, judgment, and reasoning (Summa theologiae I, 75). While these qualitatively superior abilities are manifested through special forms of tool making or culture or art, they need not always be evident in the paleontological record. Sometimes true men share mere animal survival behavior and sometimes truly human behavior is lost to modern sight due to the ravages of time. What matters is that genuinely spiritual powers are either present or not, and that these alone bespeak the presence of true man. Irrational animals, including subhuman primates, are capable of complex sentient behaviors often approaching or imitating the rational activities of true man. But an animal either possesses a spiritual, intellectual soul or not. Thus at some point in time, true man suddenly appears—whether visible to modern science or not. Before that time, all subhuman behavior manifests merely material sensory abilities. The fact that positivistic scientists cannot discern the first presence of true man is hardly remarkable.

Third, a correct understanding of the scientific (inductive) method reveals that it cannot ever logically exclude the possibility of two sole founders of humanity. Natural scientific studies employ the inductive method of reasoning. Empirically observed data is employed to form testable hypotheses. Molecular biologists use computer models in an attempt to validate such hypotheses and reach conclusions about genetic conditions in early primate populations. In this process, some researchers have committed the logically invalid move of inferring from particular data to the universally negative claim that a literal Adam and Eve is impossible. Such methodology produces, at best, solely probable conclusions, based on available evidence and the assumptions used to evaluate the data. There is the inherent possibility that an unknown factor will alter the conclusion, similarly as was the unexpected discovery of black swans in Australia, when the whole world “knew” all swans were white.

Fourth, specific scientific arguments against Adam and Eve have proven not as forceful as many presently believe (Gauger 2012). For example, some have claimed that effective population size estimates for the last several million years would not permit just two true humans to have lived during that time. Still, the technical concept of average effective population size estimates should not be confused with an actual “bottleneck” (a temporarily reduced population) which may be much smaller. Effective population size estimates can vary from as high as 14,000 (Blum 2011) to as low as 2,000 (Tenesa 2007), depending on the methods used.

Such calculations rely upon many assumptions about mutation rate, recombination rate, and other factors, that are known to vary widely. All of this entails retrospective calculations about events in the far distant past, for which we have no directly verifiable data. For such reasons, some experts have concluded that effective population size cannot be determined using DNA sequence differences alone (Sjödin 2005; Hawks 2008).

Indeed, the most famous genetic study proclaimed as a “scientific objection” to Adam and Eve turned out to be based on methodological errors. An article by geneticist Francisco J. Ayala appearing in the journal, Science (1995), led many to believe that a founding population of only two individuals was impossible. Ayala based his challenge to monogenism (two sole founders of humanity) on the large number of versions (alleles) of the particular gene HLA-DRB1, which are present in the current population. Accepting the common ancestor theory, he claimed that there were thirty-two ancient lineages of the HLA-DRB1 gene prior to the Homo/Pan split (approximately seven million years ago). Over time, these “pre-split” lineages, themselves, evolved into the new additional versions present today. Because each individual carries only two versions of a gene, a single founding pair could not have passed on the thirty-two versions that Ayala claimed existed some seven million years ago—either at that time or at any time since. A bottleneck of just two true humans, Adam and Eve, was “scientifically impossible.”

However, Ayala’s claim of thirty-two ancient HLA-DRB1 lineages (prior to the Homo/Pan split) was wrong because of methodological errors. The number of lineages was subsequently adjusted by Bergström (1998) to just seven at the time of the split, with most of the genetic diversity appearing in the last 250,000 years. A still later study coming out of Bergström’s group inferred that just four such lineages existed more than five million years ago, but that a few more appeared soon thereafter (von Salomé 2007). While two mating hominins can transmit four lineages, the few additional later ones still require explanation.

These genetic studies, based on many assumptions and use of computer models, do not tell us how the origin of the human race actually took place. But, they do show (1) that methodological limitations and radical contingency are inherent in such studies, which are employed to make retroactive judgments about deeply ancient populations that can never be subject to direct observation, and (2) that present scientific claims against the possibility of a literal Adam and Eve are not definitive (Gauger 2012, 105-122).

Philosopher Kenneth W. Kemp and others have suggested that interbreeding between true humans and subhuman primates in the same biological population might account for presently observed genetic diversity (Kemp 2011). Such interbreeding is not to be confused with the marriages between true human siblings and cousins which would have occurred in the first generations following Adam and Eve, which unions were a necessary part of God’s plan for the initial propagation of mankind (Gen. 1:28).

The difficulty with any interbreeding solution (save, perhaps, in rare instances) is that it would place at the human race’s very beginning a severe impediment to its healthy growth and development. Natural law requires that marriage and procreation take place solely between a man and a woman, so that children are given proper role models for adult life. So too, even if the union between a true human and a subhuman primate were not merely transitory, but lasting, the defective parenting and role model of a parent who is not a true human being would introduce serious disorder in the proper functioning of the family and education of children. Hence, widespread interbreeding is not an acceptable solution to the problem of genetic diversity.

Moreover, given the marked reduction in the number of ancient HLA-DRB1 alleles found by the later genetic studies of Bergström and von Salomé, it may turn out that no interbreeding is needed at all, or at most, that very rare instances of it may have occurred. Such rare events might not even entail the consent of true human beings, since they could result from an attack by a subhuman male upon a non-consenting human female.

A literal Adam and Eve remains rationally, scientifically credible.

Since the same God is author both of human reason and of authentic revelation, legitimate natural science, properly conducted, will never contradict Catholic doctrine, properly understood. Catholic doctrine still maintains that a literal Adam and Eve must have existed, a primal couple who committed that personal original sin, which occasioned the need for, and the divine promise of, the coming of the Redeemer, Jesus Christ.

Editor’s note: The image above is a detail from “The Fall of Man” painted by Hendrik Goltzius in 1616.



TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Religion & Science; Theology
KEYWORDS: adam; adamandeve; creation; crevo; crevolist; eve; evolution; fazalerana; gardenofeden; genesis; hughross; originalparents; origins
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To: verga

You’re the only Catholic left on the thread, I bet you’re laughing with all of us Protestants disagreeing. lol


601 posted on 11/28/2014 12:43:01 PM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: verga; All
She (the RCC) was the only one that could show unbroken succession back to Christ.

I do not and have not questioned your sincerety or devotion to the Roman Catholic Church. Different FReepers in various approaches have attempted to counter some of your statements which you believe are true and we believe are untrue.

Don't go away. Don't quit and take your FR financial support with you just because some FReepers won't allow RCC rudeness and a carefully-cultivated and ignorant superiority complex to stand unchallenged.

About many things you have posted, it is not a matter of opinion, it is a matter of what is indeed the truth. You are not winning on the court of forum debate, except with fellow RCC members who are in the same basket as you.
602 posted on 11/28/2014 12:49:04 PM PST by Resettozero
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To: editor-surveyor
There are 12 apostles;

Don't forget the disciples' lottery pick, Matthias, presuming you are including Paul also as one of the Christ-chosen Twelve minus Judas Iscariot as a disciple but not as an apostle.
603 posted on 11/28/2014 12:54:02 PM PST by Resettozero
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To: Partisan Gunslinger

“There were about 30 posts dealing with the sixth day creation before I arrived, some yours, so you have more posts on it than I do.”

None of them, that I saw, made any mention of race, we were discussing it in a different context.

“And it was you that brought up the curse of Cain and “subhumans”, which has nothing to do with the sixth day creation.”

Sure, I brought it up, to ask if you were a subscriber to that old ideology, since some of your posts seemed to suggest you were veering towards that territory.


604 posted on 11/28/2014 1:37:55 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Partisan Gunslinger

“In my example I said more than 400 years.”

Well, there have been a lot more than 400 years since the flood, so why couldn’t the changes have been due to environmental selection? We see the same types of changes in groups that migrated to new environments more recently than other groups, such as the melanesians and aborigines. For a long time, people assumed they had to have descended from sub-Sarahan Africans to have such “negroid” features, but the genetics show that is not the case. The features developed independently and were not passed down from their ancestral group.


605 posted on 11/28/2014 1:42:21 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Partisan Gunslinger

If you can’t state your principle, such that it can be objectively applied by others, then what else can I assume?

As it stands, you have basically said that there is a special way to interpret the Bible in order to get the real meaning, but you will not divulge the method so that others can apply it. So, essentially, if you were correct, you would be appointing yourself “Pope” of Biblical interpretation, since nobody else could reliably interpret anything, not having access to this secret principle of yours.

Now, obviously that is ridiculous and cannot be true. God did not reserve the truth of Scripture for you alone. So, I am left only with the possibility that your principle doesn’t really exist, or why else would you not divulge it?


606 posted on 11/28/2014 1:46:55 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Cvengr

“there is definitely sound historical basis to support that interpretation”

That’s probably an understatement, since that is the only way the text was understood historically, by both the Jews and early Christians. It was not until very recently that people became “squeamish” about the implications and started positing other explanations.


607 posted on 11/28/2014 1:52:02 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman
None of them, that I saw, made any mention of race, we were discussing it in a different context.

lol

Sure, I brought it up, to ask if you were a subscriber to that old ideology, since some of your posts seemed to suggest you were veering towards that territory.

Well, you're dead wrong and making false assumptions. Why not stick to what is being actually being said. It would be a more honest way of discussing this.

608 posted on 11/28/2014 1:58:28 PM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: Boogieman
Well, there have been a lot more than 400 years since the flood, so why couldn’t the changes have been due to environmental selection? We see the same types of changes in groups that migrated to new environments more recently than other groups, such as the melanesians and aborigines. For a long time, people assumed they had to have descended from sub-Sarahan Africans to have such “negroid” features, but the genetics show that is not the case. The features developed independently and were not passed down from their ancestral group.

We have accurate drawings and statues of different peoples. In 400 years here in America with our temperate climate, the peoples from tropical areas have not changed. 2350BC plus 400 years is 1950BC, getting into the time of Jacob Israel, and so there is no way the varieties of peoples on the earth evolved in that short of period of time. God has had to have saved them from before Noah somehow.

609 posted on 11/28/2014 2:05:47 PM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: Partisan Gunslinger

“In 400 years here in America with our temperate climate, the peoples from tropical areas have not changed.”

You are comparing apples to oranges. Those people in America are not starting from a pre-flood genome and then adapting, so the starting point is different, and the changes that would need to occur in the genome are also different. We also have plenty of interbreeding in America to muddy the waters, so I doubt any such subtle changes over time would be easily distinguishable from the effects of interbreeding on the population.

“God has had to have saved them from before Noah somehow.”

I think God would know if He did, but instead, God told us He only saved eight souls. I’m sorry, but I’m going to have to believe God over you in this matter.


610 posted on 11/28/2014 2:14:29 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Partisan Gunslinger

“Well, you’re dead wrong and making false assumptions.”

In order to be wrong, I’d have had to make an assertion, which I didn’t do. I simply asked a question.


611 posted on 11/28/2014 2:17:59 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman
If you can’t state your principle, such that it can be objectively applied by others, then what else can I assume?

I've told you the principle, to rightly divide the word as we're instructed to do:

2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth

I guess that may not mean much to some but to me it means to think of the situation and use discernment to put the verses being studied in the proper context.

As it stands, you have basically said that there is a special way to interpret the Bible in order to get the real meaning, but you will not divulge the method so that others can apply it.

Of course there is a special way to understand God's Word! It's not meant for hypocritical Pharisees, scripture lawyers with evil intentions, or those who do not study to show themselves approved. Jesus himself said it is meant for only those that He wants to understand:

Luk 8:10 And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.

All you have to do is study and you're approved.

So, essentially, if you were correct, you would be appointing yourself “Pope” of Biblical interpretation, since nobody else could reliably interpret anything, not having access to this secret principle of yours.

I am not pope. "Pope" means "father". Only God is father. I simply study to show myself approved. Anyone can do the same if they would just not be so hard-headed and listen to the Word like a child would. Some are so filled with political correctness that they would rather play gotcha with a race card, as an example, rather than opening their mind to God's word to have further understanding.

Now, obviously that is ridiculous and cannot be true. God did not reserve the truth of Scripture for you alone.

There will be 7000 of us, not just me. Only 7000 will not worship antiChrist when he arrives. The rest are more into playing games and playing church rather than preparing themselves for the great deceiver. It's so easy to one of the 7000 out of 7 billion, don't fall for the great deceiver.

So, I am left only with the possibility that your principle doesn’t really exist, or why else would you not divulge it?

It takes study.

612 posted on 11/28/2014 2:25:23 PM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: Boogieman
That’s probably an understatement, since that is the only way the text was understood historically, by both the Jews and early Christians. It was not until very recently that people became “squeamish” about the implications and started positing other explanations.

You totally misread Cvengr's post. lol

613 posted on 11/28/2014 2:27:04 PM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: Boogieman
You are comparing apples to oranges. Those people in America are not starting from a pre-flood genome and then adapting, so the starting point is different, and the changes that would need to occur in the genome are also different. We also have plenty of interbreeding in America to muddy the waters, so I doubt any such subtle changes over time would be easily distinguishable from the effects of interbreeding on the population.

I would think interbreeding would hasten everyone to be more similar. That has not happened to a great degree.

614 posted on 11/28/2014 2:30:20 PM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: Boogieman
In order to be wrong, I’d have had to make an assertion, which I didn’t do. I simply asked a question.

A question based on a false assumption, which you admitted to.

615 posted on 11/28/2014 2:31:36 PM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: Partisan Gunslinger; Boogieman

Ding ding ding!

Dinner’s ready! You boys all wash up and come to dinner now. You can play the games after the dishes are done.


616 posted on 11/28/2014 2:44:38 PM PST by Resettozero
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To: Resettozero

lol It’s that time of the thread, I think we’re going in circles.


617 posted on 11/28/2014 2:48:41 PM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: Partisan Gunslinger

No, if I had assumed something, then I wouldn’t have bothered to ask you the question. I observed that something might be the case, and asked a question to determine if it was true or not. You’re really reaching here trying to condemn me for asking you a question.


618 posted on 11/28/2014 3:03:51 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Partisan Gunslinger

“I would think interbreeding would hasten everyone to be more similar. That has not happened to a great degree.”

Says who? Black Americans are easily observed to be several shades lighter, generally, than black Africans. I’m sure if anyone bothered to do a scientific analysis, they could find other similar changes due to interbreeding.


619 posted on 11/28/2014 3:08:23 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Partisan Gunslinger

No, I did not.


620 posted on 11/28/2014 3:09:58 PM PST by Boogieman
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