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Did Adam and Eve Really Exist?
Crisis Magazine ^ | November 24, 2014 | DENNIS BONNETTE

Posted on 11/24/2014 1:07:14 PM PST by NYer

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To: Partisan Gunslinger
Now "it COULD be"? That has been our argument all along - that God ALWAYS has a remnant! It has been you, parroting Arnold Murray, who continues to assert it will only be 7000.

Arnold has also said it doesn't have to be exactly 7000. The "7000" identifies the people we're talking about, the very elect. You let these little things become such stumblingblocks to you.

All anyone needs to do is read over this thread and all the times you kept INSISTING Romans 11:4 specifically said only 7000 and your assertion that was what Murray taught. Every time you were disputed by Scripture - and there were many - you kept going back to that number and how "what once was will be again". I don't think I'm the one tripping over anything here. It's no skin off my nose whether you believe me or not. All I've been trying to do is say what I believe and why I believe it. You are the one who seems to be unable to tolerate disagreement here and who imagines he is being persecuted. You've more than amply set up stumbling blocks of your own and prove with every subsequent comment you don't really know how to avoid tripping over them.

901 posted on 11/30/2014 3:55:48 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: CatherineofAragon

Its still running!


902 posted on 11/30/2014 4:02:27 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Partisan Gunslinger
Show me where I did that, whiner.

Racist, cult, same difference.

Didn't think you could. And, no, racist and cultist are NOT the same difference.

903 posted on 11/30/2014 4:02:44 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: Elsie
"777?

You HAVE to be kidding me!"

Redemption from 666, LOL?

If I post here for the next fifty years, that will never happen again.

904 posted on 11/30/2014 4:20:18 PM PST by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization.))
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To: CatherineofAragon
No, you didn't. You said you'd never heard of it, and when I told you it was easily found online, said, "Okaaaay." So far you've dismissed everything folks have offered you about your leader. What reason do I have to think you'd respond differently this time? Google it if you want the truth.

I don't really care. He's studied for 60 years, that's a doctor to me whether a university says so or not.

905 posted on 11/30/2014 4:27:52 PM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: boatbums
All anyone needs to do is read over this thread and all the times you kept INSISTING Romans 11:4 specifically said only 7000 and your assertion that was what Murray taught.

Romans 11:4 does say 7000. As I said way back on this thread, it could be in the hundreds of thousands. The 7000 number is just an identifier. It is a stumblingblock to you.

Every time you were disputed by Scripture - and there were many - you kept going back to that number and how "what once was will be again". I don't think I'm the one tripping over anything here. It's no skin off my nose whether you believe me or not. All I've been trying to do is say what I believe and why I believe it. You are the one who seems to be unable to tolerate disagreement here and who imagines he is being persecuted.

I've called no one a racist, cult member, a white supremacist, an incinerator of children, or a server of koolaid, yet all of those have been hurled or insinuated at me on no evidence. Yeah, I'd call that persecution. lol I'd say with all the name calling from your side it is you all that can't handle disagreement.

You've more than amply set up stumbling blocks of your own and prove with every subsequent comment you don't really know how to avoid tripping over them.

Name one.

906 posted on 11/30/2014 4:36:59 PM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: boatbums
Didn't think you could. And, no, racist and cultist are NOT the same difference.

Same in the eyes of the moderators. The purpose was to silence disagreement.

907 posted on 11/30/2014 4:38:16 PM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: Partisan Gunslinger
I don't really care."

We see that.

Your so-called man of God doesn't need to meet any standards. You even excuse lying.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

908 posted on 11/30/2014 5:04:46 PM PST by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization.))
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To: Partisan Gunslinger
quote out of context much? I said preferred over political correctness.

Dang...

There's an ECHO in here!


>...and you did NOT reject them; but said they were PREFERED.

909 posted on 11/30/2014 5:45:29 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Partisan Gunslinger
No proof was posted.

Says the fella who seems to have a hard time posting 'proof'.

910 posted on 11/30/2014 5:47:03 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Partisan Gunslinger
A false prediction, not a false prophecy. We've all done it.

Modifying words to mask the truth.

Liberals do it a lot.

It's called PC.

911 posted on 11/30/2014 5:50:00 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: boatbums
Sad, isn’t it, when so-called “Christian” Conservatives resort to the same deceptive techniques as the Left?

They've seen how well they work; against folks who are unaware of them.

Quite possibly these CCs do not SEE themselves doing the same thing.

912 posted on 11/30/2014 5:52:39 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Partisan Gunslinger
Racist, cult, same difference.

There you go again.

Trying to show that completely different words can be used to describe something.

It ain't working here.

Find a new audience.

913 posted on 11/30/2014 5:55:42 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Partisan Gunslinger
 

'When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone,
' it means just what I choose it to mean, neither more nor less.'

'The question is,' said Alice, 'whether you can make words mean so many different things.'

'The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'which is to be master - that's all.'  


914 posted on 11/30/2014 5:56:13 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: CatherineofAragon
If I post here for the next fifty years, that will never happen again.

I don't know.

The math suggests it IS likely!

Let google search foir THIS:


https://www.google.com/search?q=freerepublic.com+777+elsie&rls=com.microsoft:en-US:IE-Address&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&gws_rd=ssl#rls=com.microsoft:en-US:IE-Address&q=freerepublic.com+%22777+posted%22+elsie

915 posted on 11/30/2014 6:06:17 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Just mythoughts; boatbums

>>People who claim that all peoples walking this earth today came from Adam and Eve are biblically ignorant.<<

Genesis 4 King James Version (KJV)

4 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the Lord.

2 And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.

Genesis 5 King James Version (KJV)

5 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;

2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, and after his image; and called his name Seth:

4 And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:

5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.

6 And Seth lived an hundred and five years, and begat Enos:

7 And Seth lived after he begat Enos eight hundred and seven years, and begat sons and daughters:

8 And all the days of Seth were nine hundred and twelve years: and he died.

9 And Enos lived ninety years, and begat Cainan:

10 And Enos lived after he begat Cainan eight hundred and fifteen years, and begat sons and daughters:

11 And all the days of Enos were nine hundred and five years: and he died.

12 And Cainan lived seventy years and begat Mahalaleel:

13 And Cainan lived after he begat Mahalaleel eight hundred and forty years, and begat sons and daughters:

14 And all the days of Cainan were nine hundred and ten years: and he died.

15 And Mahalaleel lived sixty and five years, and begat Jared:

16 And Mahalaleel lived after he begat Jared eight hundred and thirty years, and begat sons and daughters:

17 And all the days of Mahalaleel were eight hundred ninety and five years: and he died.

18 And Jared lived an hundred sixty and two years, and he begat Enoch:

19 And Jared lived after he begat Enoch eight hundred years, and begat sons and daughters:

20 And all the days of Jared were nine hundred sixty and two years: and he died.

21 And Enoch lived sixty and five years, and begat Methuselah:

22 And Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah three hundred years, and begat sons and daughters:

23 And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years:

24 And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.

25 And Methuselah lived an hundred eighty and seven years, and begat Lamech.

26 And Methuselah lived after he begat Lamech seven hundred eighty and two years, and begat sons and daughters:

27 And all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred sixty and nine years: and he died.

28 And Lamech lived an hundred eighty and two years, and begat a son:

29 And he called his name Noah, saying, This same shall comfort us concerning our work and toil of our hands, because of the ground which the Lord hath cursed.

30 And Lamech lived after he begat Noah five hundred ninety and five years, and begat sons and daughters:

31 And all the days of Lamech were seven hundred seventy and seven years: and he died.

32 And Noah was five hundred years old: and Noah begat Shem, Ham, and Japheth.(KJV)


916 posted on 11/30/2014 10:29:27 PM PST by redleghunter (But let your word 'yes be 'yes,' and your 'no be 'no.' Anything more than this is from the evil one.)
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To: Just mythoughts

If the big secret no one knows but Murrayites is the antichrist is from Satan, then get your money back from buying his videos and tapes.

Your fellow Murrayite said the 7000 would be the ONLY ones to identify the antichrist. But you just pointed out scriptures any 12 yr old in Sunday school can point out.


917 posted on 11/30/2014 10:33:48 PM PST by redleghunter (But let your word 'yes be 'yes,' and your 'no be 'no.' Anything more than this is from the evil one.)
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To: Just mythoughts; boatbums

I think the “rapture blanket” folks would realize real quick the corruptable body remaining would be a huge hint it’s not Jesus Christ.

Are you saying the rapture, the translation the caught up is not clearly shown in Scriptures?


918 posted on 11/30/2014 10:40:05 PM PST by redleghunter (But let your word 'yes be 'yes,' and your 'no be 'no.' Anything more than this is from the evil one.)
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To: Just mythoughts; editor-surveyor; boatbums

>>The correct quote is “I have reserved to Myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal..” Paul is quoting IKings 19:10-18. God Himself has reserved to Himself ‘seven thousand men’.

Then Paul goes on to quote Isaiah 29:10 “God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear:;) unto this day......

Reason: Romans 11:11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.<<

I suggest you read Romans 9-11 to fully grasp the context. Paul is addressing Israelites of the physical nation. He is not discussing the church at all. So are you of Hebrew origin? If so the then it applies if not you are a Gentile or Jew who is part of Christ’s church.

This is where you explain to me identity theology? Somehow the Anglo Americans are the true Israel?


919 posted on 11/30/2014 10:46:52 PM PST by redleghunter (But let your word 'yes be 'yes,' and your 'no be 'no.' Anything more than this is from the evil one.)
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To: Partisan Gunslinger; boatbums

>>Rom 11:4 says that only 7000 will not fall for antiChrist.<<

No it does not:

Romans 11 King James Version (KJV)

11 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,

3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.

4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.

5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.(KJV)

See verse 5.


920 posted on 11/30/2014 10:58:52 PM PST by redleghunter (But let your word 'yes be 'yes,' and your 'no be 'no.' Anything more than this is from the evil one.)
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