Posted on 11/24/2014 1:07:14 PM PST by NYer
I only need to be told once. Thank you for finally doing so.
" However they used Hebrew scriptures, allegory and symbolism to reinforce that of the old as well as to teach and explain the new. They made themselves understandable to the people of the time. If you take the translated words literally, you make fundamental errors that end up leading people away from God. And yes much of the Bible is allegorical and symbolic as was all literature at the time"
You need to learn to distinguish between the different styles of Biblical writing. As I've already posted to you, some parts of Scripture are allegorical, some are parables, some are prophecy, and yes---much is literal.
He Was a real scientist, as opposed to the fake ones here that try to convince us how un-scientific The word of God is.
Science and sexual morality have little common ground.
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>> “And yes much of the Bible is allegorical and symbolic as was all literature at the time” <<
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Really, the only part of the Bible that is allegorical is the parts that openly declare to be such.
That may in fact be your barrier to understanding, since assumption of allegory is an unbeliever’s crutch.
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Well said. I was thinking of that quote but was having difficulty remembering who it was from. I kept thinking Clake or Asimov.
Science is what you observe, sex is what you feel.
I do agree. There is such a thing as "absolute truth" - it's true whether or not anyone believes it or even knows about it. Science, as man's endeavor to understand the universe and all that is within it, is limited by several bounds including mankind's ability, as finite creatures, to comprehend the infinite. Science as made dramatic inroads into knowledge especially WRT even our recent past and that knowledge exponentially increases with every new discovery. But compared to Almighty God, man's wisdom is foolishness - a drop in the ocean of what all CAN be known. There comes a point where science is wholly inadequate to explain the infinite and that is where faith comes in. For those of us who may never reach the heights of available human knowledge, faith comes much sooner, but everyone will have to surrender, at some point, to the realization that, compared to God, we are ALL fools. Who has known the mind of the Lord? Or who has been his counselor?
I so look forward to the day when we will have the mind of Christ and then we may be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height; And to know the love of Christ, which passes knowledge, that we might be filled with all the fullness of God.
O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out! For who has known the mind of the Lord? or who has been his counselor? Or who has first given to him, and it shall be recompensed to him again? For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen. (Romans 11:33-36)
yeah, right....Catholics were the ONLY believers for 1,600 years until Martin and the boys set us straight....thanks for nothing.
Do you never tire of those fairy tales?
Read Irenaeus, “Against Heresies.”
He decried all the nonsense of the “catholic church” over 100 years before it even showed up
He was telling Moses whose job it was to pass the information along to the people of that time....How many of them do you suppose could have differentiated between days and thousands of years????
they could all understand a day and the passing of that day....creation, explained in that context would have been easy for them to understand and accept....the actual lapse of time was totally irrelevant. Try to explain to an aborigine the difference between an eon and a day..no concept whatsoever....Moses was not speaking to PHD's, he was teaching to humans with pretty much only a basic understanding of what was happening around them....seems simple to me.
and his qualifications were.........
He was a bishop in the lineage of John and Polycarp, and possibly the last one that was fully true to the Way of Yeshua.
>> “.How many of them do you suppose could have differentiated between days and thousands of years?” <<
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What an arrogant and ignorant presumption!
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I still don't think you are grasping the point here, Terycarl. You seem to keep forgetting that God tied the six days of creation and the seventh day, the Sabbath, with a day of rest. Do you seriously think the people of Moses' day, and before, didn't have a concept of time? I think they knew EXACTLY what God meant and they DID differentiate between a seven day "week" and past history of thousands of years as well as the idea of eternity - where there IS no time. How else would they have understood the fourth commandment and been obedient to God? This grows more silly every day!
I partially agree with your post. Yes no thing created can negate God’s Word.
Perhaps it is a matter of approach where we differ.
Your posts present a strong focus on evolution as compatible with the Christian faith. IMHO this may suit some in the realm of curiosity or striving to “deconflict” evolution with Christianity. However, I personally see this as a futile effort.
God made Genesis 1-3 short and sweet (or bitter considering Man’s fall). I believe there is a reason for that. His focus was on revealing Man’s fall, their sinful wickedness and Praise God His plan of deliverance, then fulfilling that plan through Jesus Christ. The remainder of God’s revelation to mankind is the command to preach the Gospel of salvation through Jesus Christ.
Back to my comment on “a futile effort.” If someone cannot get passed Genesis 1:1 then chances are they can’t get passed Moses parting the Red Sea, the sun standing still for Joshua, Jonah in the belly of a fish for three days and the Messiah multiplying fish and loaves; rising Lazarus from the dead 4 days after dead in a tomb; and most importantly after Jesus Himself crucified and died, rising from the dead with a new and Glorified body.
Such creates philosophical contradictions eventually. If one strongly approaches “evangelizing” evolution as Biblically compatible or God’s “plan” for creation, then where in scriptures do we stop rationalizing and say “well about ‘here’ we can be assured God is being literal with us.”
I ask, where is ‘here’ for you? Meaning where can we as Christians and even Hebrews/Jews take Scriptures as literally true?
And the context of the passage tells us what? What was the historical, literal approach to the passage.
Also if literally eating the flesh and blood of Christ was indeed the manner of obtaining Grace and thereby salvation, then why not in every epistle is this not commanded literally and exhorted?
Finally, in verse 26 Paul calls what the Corinthians are sharing “bread” and “cup”.
At what point did Paul instruct the proper handling of the unused left over bread and cup? Would not that be a most important piece of information given by your context the Corinthians were not performing communion correctly? But as Paul points out the subject is actually the Corinthians were not properly waiting for all to arrive to the Lord’s Supper, some were hungry and some were drunk?
Maybe it’s God’s Truman Show being explained, which Truman just can’t accept.
I have no clue...
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