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You did not address the issue at hand. Do you deny the church will be ‘caught up’ at some time in history or is that figurative for you? 1 Thessalonians 4: 13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.(KJV) So Murray taught to toss these verses out of the 1 Thessalonians? Or are these verses for the 7000 only?

The subject of I Thessalonians 4 is what. Flying away to save ones soul? Why ignore the context of IThessalonians 4?

Why does not IThessalonians 4:11 get the same amount of attention as does IThessalonians 4:17. Verse 11 says And that ye study to be quiet, and to do your own business, and to work with your own hands, as we commanded you;

12 That ye may walk honestly toward them that are without, and that ye may have lack of nothing.

Yet the whole rapture doctrine is based upon the man made divination of one single verse IThessalonians 4:17 ignoring II Thessalonians 2.

Paul even tells us who the false messiah is... IIThessalonians 2:4.

4 Who opposeth and exalted himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the Temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

13 For thou hast said in thine heart, 'I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of GOD: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north.

14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the MOST HIGH.'.....

God knew the future and what would be, He even had Ezekiel write all about it in Ezekiel 13 the teaching to His people to fly away to save their souls. Well, He said Ezekiel 13:20 Wherefore thus saith the LORD GOD: 'Behold, I am against your pillows, wherewith ye there hunt the souls to make them fly, and I will tear them from your arms, and will let the souls go, even the souls that ye hunt to make them fly.

There is not going to be a rapture no matter how much some believe, and use whatever means necessary to make it so.