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To: BroJoeK

On the macro level I do as a fellow Christian. However as we peel the layers some friction will occur.

We would have to take every recorded miracle in the Scriptures (OT and NT) and examine them. Meaning by your statements, I could say (1) Oh yes see he believes exactly what is recorded in scriptures; yet I could also conclude from your comments (2) Oh, yes I see he leaves the option open to deny or confirm certain miracles.

Now to clarify even further...If you were a Thomist or Intelligent Design adherent, I would know with a good amount of confidence what you meant in your statements.

Also, if your clarification was thus: “some miracles God used the natural elements under His command to intervene and in others there is absolutely no natural explanation.”

Now IMO that would be Biblically observant as some people were healed with absolutely no natural explanation; yet some as in Hezekiah and Naaman were healed by God by a natural prescription.


997 posted on 12/02/2014 2:56:08 PM PST by redleghunter (But let your word 'yes be 'yes,' and your 'no be 'no.' Anything more than this is from the evil one.)
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To: redleghunter
redleghunter: "Also, if your clarification was thus: 'some miracles God used the natural elements under His command to intervene and in others there is absolutely no natural explanation.'
Now IMO that would be Biblically observant as some people were healed with absolutely no natural explanation; yet some as in Hezekiah and Naaman were healed by God by a natural prescription."

Agreed, but then you have the example of Noah's world-flood, a historical event for which there is no scientific evidence -- how should we understand that?
Well, there is physical evidence of at least three "world class" floods which could easily have inspired the story -- 1) filling the Mediterranean Sea (5 million years ago), 2) filling the Persian Gulf (8,000 years ago) or 3) filling the Black Sea (5,000 years ago).
The last two were recent enough... or the story could just result from especially large flooding of the Tigris & Euphrates rivers.

We also know about past population minimums, where human race survival depended on a very small number of individuals -- Toba eruption in Indonesia, 70,000 years ago comes to mind.

Regardless, the Bible makes basic points, all of which remain valid, regardless of which specific disaster Noah refers to.

1,042 posted on 12/04/2014 7:49:02 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective..)
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