Posted on 11/30/2014 6:06:15 AM PST by marshmallow
Pope Francis this afternoon celebrated Mass at the Catholic Cathedral of the Holy Spirit in Istanbul. Present at the Eucharistic celebration was the Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew I, along with several Catholic and Orthodox patriarchs from the region.
During his homily, Francis said: "Only the Holy Spirit is able to kindle diversity, multiplicity and, at the same time, bring about unity. When we try to create diversity, but are closed within our own particular and exclusive ways of seeing things, we create division.
He added: "When we try to create unity through our own human designs, we end up with uniformity and homogenization. If we let ourselves be led by the Spirit, however, richness, variety and diversity will never create conflict, because the Spirit spurs us to experience variety in the communion of the Church."
Here below is the full text:
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In the Gospel, Jesus shows himself to be the font from which those who thirst for salvation draw upon, as the Rock from whom the Father brings forth living waters for all who believe in him (cf. Jn 7:38). In openly proclaiming this prophecy in Jerusalem, Jesus heralds the gift of the Holy Spirit whom the disciples will receive after his glorification, that is, after his death and resurrection (cf. v. 39).
The Holy Spirit is the soul of the Church. He gives life, he brings forth different charisms which enrich the people of God and, above all, he creates unity among believers: from the many he makes one body, the Body of Christ. The Church’s whole life and mission depend on the Holy Spirit; he fulfils all things.
The profession of faith itself, as Saint Paul reminds us in today’s first reading, is only possible because it is prompted by the Holy Spirit: "No one can say....
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Did the moozlums make similar statements...or were they laughing behind their robes?
Just like the muslims worshipping in the Episcopal church’s National Cathedral in D.C., why would the Pope pray in a place where a false god is worshipped?
This is very weird. Kinda like the whole one world religion thing.
I know this because my husband and I visited Turkey, visited this wonderful former-church and SAW that "corner" with our own eyes.
Did you read the first sentence?
Pope Francis this afternoon celebrated Mass at the Catholic Cathedral of the Holy Spirit in Istanbul.
Did he mention it would be nice for muslims to quit hating Christians and cutting their heads off. That would be a start. And by the way Christians and Muslims don’t worship the same God, so I have no idea who Francis is talking about.
Diversity? This Pope praises diversity. Does anybody need more proof that this guy is the Obama of the Catholic church?
He’s talking to the Orthodox, not the Muslims. This was a homily at a mass at the Catholic cathedral, which was attended by the Orthodox as well.
He’s been praying all over Turkey with Muslims. Bowing in front of their “holy men”.
http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2014/11/for-first-time-in-history-silent.html#more
This is a BIG scandal, more so than people really understand. This (a) justified that “Islam is a religion of peace” lie, (b) gives moral legitimacy to Islam, and (c) sets a horrible example for Catholics. Who needs bad priests with an example like this?
http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2014/11/for-first-time-in-history-silent.html#more
The Turks are being harried at their borders by ISIS forces who hate their guts, and have been flooded with Syrain refugees fleeing the terror. Meanwhile, the tiny percentage of Christians in Turkey represent -zero- security threat. For the time being, let us hope the Turk react in their own self-interest.
Well, I hope to God he prayed. There’s no defense against the bodiless rebel entities without the power of Him whose Cross the Pope was pressing to his chest.
"When we try to create diversity, but are closed within our own particular and exclusive ways of seeing things, we create division.He contrasted God's work ("in the communion of the Church") with man's work (["without God] Diversity rcreates divison.")He added: "When we try to create unity through our own human designs, we end up with uniformity and homogenization. If we let ourselves be led by the Spirit, however, richness, variety and diversity will never create conflict, because the Spirit spurs us to experience variety in the communion of the Church."
That doesn't sound like Obama to me.
Turkey CREATED ISIS.
The Turks are being harried at their borders by ISIS forces who hate their guts, and have been flooded with Syrain refugees fleeing the terror. Meanwhile, the tiny percentage of Christians in Turkey represent -zero- security threat. For the time being, let us hope the Turk react in their own self-interest. They probably benefit from a reinforcement of the fact that they’re not ISIS.
Possibly, factions in TUrkey created ISIS-— that I could believe. Right now, however, ISIS is menacing Turkey’s borders and directly endangering the stability of Turkey’s government.
I have no idea what he said or what he means. I do know he uses the language of the left.
Can you translate that for me?
Context: He's talking to Orthodox Christians. We have been separated for 1,000 years. People on both sides are afraid that "unity" might entail the erasure of valuable distinctives which are deeply embedded in religious culture.
Francis is saying, yeah, that can happen if it's just a political move on the part of humans. But with Christ, the legitimate "diversities" between Churches like the Catholic nd Orthodox, can be preserved and developed even within the context of greater Church unity.
Like what St. Paul says about the Body of Christ: many gifts, one Spirit.
Does that make sense?
Here's the actual statement:
There are those who believe they can maintain a personal, direct and immediate relationship with Jesus Christ outside the communion and the mediation of the Church. These are dangerous and harmful temptations
I would agree with that. If that were the model the Lord wanted us to follow, he didn't need any disciples, he didn't need to found a church (as he himself said he was doing), he didn't need to authorize them to preach in his name ("who hears you hears me," remember?), all he needed to do was write a book ... maybe not even that.
The "personal relationship with Jesus" part isn't the problem, the "outside the communion of the church" part is the problem. What would you expect a Pope to say? "Yeah, no sweat, just do your own think according to YOPIOS and it will all work out in the end" ... ?
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