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To: Heart-Rest
he who believes in me will also do the works that I do;

I assume you consider that you are a 'believer'?

Have YOU done the WORKS that Jesus has done?

I'd LOVE to taste some of YOUR wine; and talk to the folks that YOU have healed!

540 posted on 12/09/2014 3:29:40 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
"...he who believes in me will also do the works that I do;"

I assume you consider that you are a 'believer'?

Have YOU done the WORKS that Jesus has done?

I'd LOVE to taste some of YOUR wine; and talk to the folks that YOU have healed!"

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Elsie, one of the biggest problems with your response here is that you are trying to insert words and ideas into those Bible texts and quotes from Jesus Christ which are simply not there.

For example, do you see the word "all" in front of "the works that I do" in that Bible text I posted?    It is not there, Elsie, and to assume that it is, is to assume a complete falsehood.

When Jesus said "he who believes in me will also do the works that I do", he did not say "he who believes in me will also do all the works that I do".    He did say that "he who believes in me" will "do the works" though, whether you like it or not.    When Jesus said "works", Jesus meant "works", not some fuzzy, transient, ephemeral, angelic thoughts and fleeting butterfly feelings.

God sometimes performs miracles in areas involving things believers are praying for, but what other kinds of "works" did Jesus do that He says true believers in Him would also actually do?

Jesus specifies various works like that in a number of places.    A good place to start is Matthew 25:31-46:

Some "works" Jesus did which He wants those who believe in Him to also do:

Jesus did those works, and He says that real believers will also do the works He did, and that God will help those real believers do those things in some unspecified way.    (Again, do not try to add the word "all" there, or add the phrase "in an identical miraculous way", because those words would be coming strictly from Elsie, not from Jesus, and would falsify the Gospel quote.)    Stick to what Jesus actually said.

(Jesus also said believers would do even more than He did, and that also is very true, again, in a limited, human way, and Jesus promised God's help to do that in some undefined way, as needed.)    In His time on earth before His crucifixion, Jesus did all His earthly work in a limited geographical area, and His work involved limited numbers of people.    His believing followers in His Church have taken His Gospel message much farther ("to the ends of the earth"), and have helped (sometimes directly, sometimes through financial support, and in various other ways) to feed far more than 5,000 people, and to visit far more sick and imprisoned people (via better travel methods and new technologies), etc.    (A good teaching sermon on the beatitudes on the Catholic Network EWTN that gets broadcast through various technologies all around the world, is heard by far more people than the number of people who actually heard the "Sermon on the Mount" from Jesus live.)

It is always better to honestly stick to what is actually written in the Bible, and not add one's own words here and there, or change words, or delete words, in order to try to make the teachings in the Bible seem to more closely match up with one's own erroneous beliefs.

When the day of judgment comes, God is not going to care at all about whether any of us won or lost an argument on the internet, but, rather, whether we were honestly open to accepting the truths of God when they were presented to us, and did not allow puffed-up pride and egotistical arrogance (like that of Lucifer) to get in the way of our learning and accepting those truths.   (This applies to all of us.)

566 posted on 12/09/2014 8:06:04 PM PST by Heart-Rest ("Our hearts are restless, Lord, until they rest in Thee." - St. Augustine)
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