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To: wheat_grinder
The same people who instituted Sunday as the day of worship picked the books in your New Testament canon, and rejected others. How do you deal with that? If Sunday worship is a corruption, your New Testament is a corruption as well. Nothing in the Old Testament authorizes the church to create new books of scripture. To be self-consistent, you should be Jewish.

Sunday worship was unchallenged in Christendom from before 100 AD (Ignatius of Antioch, who died in Rome as a martyr AD 110, commends his readers for "no longer Sabbathing") until Ellen Gould White. Where in the Scriptures do you see evidence for the Holy Spirit taking a 1700 year long nap, and letting the church of Christ sink into apostasy?

2 posted on 12/07/2014 4:42:39 AM PST by Campion
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To: Campion
There's tremendous insecurity about so many things in the New Law (a term will upset many, no doubt) that leads many to "Judaize" Christianity to the point where one might ask, "What's the point?"

Pentecost happened. That's enough for me.

6 posted on 12/07/2014 4:52:35 AM PST by Oratam
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To: Campion

Evidently by your reference to Ellen White you think I’m a SDA. I’m not. I just keep the correct Sabbath. I worship exactly the same way I did as a Baptist just on the seventh day now. As far as the new testament goes I read that and other books that are not “cannonized”. I cannot control what history has done to the Word but I can study and seek truth.
LOL... Don’t think I have to be Jewish to observe the Sabbath. Got a scripture reference for that?


8 posted on 12/07/2014 4:54:40 AM PST by wheat_grinder
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To: Campion
"The same people who instituted Sunday as the day of worship picked the books in your New Testament canon, and rejected others. How do you deal with that?"

Why do some Roman Catholics think it has to be an "us against them" situation? Is it not possible that we both (RCs and Protestants) profess to worship the same God?

The very beginning Christian worshipers were NOT Roman Catholics, they were Jews. Eventually, local churches ceased to be autonomous by giving way to the control of "bishops" ruling over hierarchies. The simple form of worship from the heart was replaced with the rituals and splendor devised by men. Ministers became "priests." The Roman Emperor Constantine established himself as the head of the church around 313 A.D., which made this new "Christianity" the official religion of the Roman Empire.

Though history proves this RC church was corrupt in many ways, it is also true that many of its priests still held in their hearts the true Gospel of Jesus Christ, and we are all grateful that during these Dark Ages they preserved the Holy Scripture. I hope that we can all agree that it was the work of the Holy Spirit that certain biblical writings were chosen as the New Testament and then lovingly preserved.

So to answer your question, or should I say challenge, I would say that as a Protestant, I hold the New Testament to be the "Holy Word of God" not because the RC church says it is, but because the Holy Spirit deemed it so and used the only available resource at the time to proclaim it and preserve it.

9 posted on 12/07/2014 5:11:31 AM PST by Apple Pan Dowdy (... as American as Apple Pie)
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To: Campion
"The same people who instituted Sunday as the day of worship picked the books in your New Testament canon, and rejected others."

Not true. Acts 20:7 tells us Paul and the Christians gathered together to break bread on the first day of the week. This long predated the Roman Catholic Church.

13 posted on 12/07/2014 5:34:23 AM PST by circlecity
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To: Campion

Gen. 2:3
And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

The Catholic`s did not write the scripture and can not change it, they like every one else can only attempt to.

True they chose what we have in the new testament, but they could only include what was available.

The early gentile churches held services on Saturday night or Sunday, obviously in observance of the Sabbath, the day of rest.

It was several hundred years later that they actually started calling Sunday the Sabbath out of ignorance and arrogance.

God rested on the seventh day not the first day and called it the Sabbath, I do not think we can change history.

Exodus 31:15
Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.


37 posted on 12/07/2014 7:10:45 AM PST by ravenwolf (` Does the scripture explain it in full detail? if not how can you?)
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