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To: metmom
There's no where in Scripture where submission to one central authority is required for the local churches, the local body of believers.

There's no where in Scripture where Scripture is stated to be the only source of teaching, for that matter. Oh well.........

Think about the early Church.....there was no New Testament. No book to turn to when disputes arose as they invariably did. It had yet to be written....and certainly not compiled or canonized. The Church did just fine because the Church gave us Scripture and not vice versa. Ergo the Church could grow and function without it.

Read Acts. What happened when Paul and Barnabas got into an argument in Antioch about circumcision?? They couldn't say....."well let's see what the Bible says about this!". They couldn't! No, Instead, Acts tells us that they returned to Jerusalem to consult with the "apostles and ancients" and it was in fact Peter who rose up to give the decisive oration.

That's the model! It was the "apostles and ancients" who resolved these issues, not Scripture.

It's the same today. There is nothing in Scripture about the morality of artificial contraception! There must be a living, breathing Magisterium, connected to the Apostles to decide on these matters.

164 posted on 12/10/2014 4:04:44 PM PST by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow
There's no where in Scripture where Scripture is stated to be the only source of teaching, for that matter. Oh well.........

But that's not what sola Scriptura means.

Nobody ever claimed that it is the only source of teaching.

It's the only source of truth and it is authoritative by its nature as the God breathed, Holy spirit inspired word of God.

2 Timothy 3:16-17All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.

Think about the early Church.....there was no New Testament. No book to turn to when disputes arose as they invariably did. It had yet to be written....and certainly not compiled or canonized. The Church did just fine because the Church gave us Scripture and not vice versa. Ergo the Church could grow and function without it.

Wrong. It did fine because they already had Scripture in the OT, which Jesus Himself validated in His use of it and His calling it Scripture.

And the HOLY SPIRIT gave us Scripture, not the Catholic church.

And no, the church cannot do fine without Scripture. It WILL go into error without it as an anchor.

165 posted on 12/10/2014 4:20:29 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: marshmallow; redleghunter; Resettozero
Read Acts. What happened when Paul and Barnabas got into an argument in Antioch about circumcision?? They couldn't say....."well let's see what the Bible says about this!". They couldn't! No, Instead, Acts tells us that they returned to Jerusalem to consult with the "apostles and ancients" and it was in fact Peter who rose up to give the decisive oration.

It was NOT Peter. It was James.

It's the same today. There is nothing in Scripture about the morality of artificial contraception! There must be a living, breathing Magisterium, connected to the Apostles to decide on these matters.

Ah, the old contraception issue.

Whenever Catholics are taking a beating, they resort to that.

So if Scripture is silent on artificial contraception, then on what basis did the magisterium decide that it was wrong?

166 posted on 12/10/2014 4:24:02 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: marshmallow

It was Peter who gave the address at the Council of Jerusalem. The first Council of the Catholic Church.

James spoke to dietary rules. He didn’t address the issue about which Peter was talking.


168 posted on 12/10/2014 4:26:58 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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