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Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?
self | 12-14-14 | ealgeone

Posted on 12/14/2014 11:57:21 AM PST by ealgeone

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To: metmom
Where would Jesus be without His mother?

He wouldn't be here on Earth to be our Savior...He wouldn't be at the wedding feast at Cana, He wouldn't be transfigured , He wouldn't be here to establish the SEVEN sacraments (you know about those...remember?), he wouldn't have had to have spikes driven through His arms and feet so He could die for our redemption........see just how important that His mother was?????????????????

3,521 posted on 12/28/2014 8:23:08 PM PST by terycarl (common sense prevails over all)
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To: caww
I do not believe Jesus intended the wine and bread to “be” his actual body and blood. That is catholic doctrine not Christian. For this was done at the last supper and HE was not yet crucified...

sure He did....that's why HE SAID SO...it was, and is Christian doctrine for 2,015 years....some, for whatever reason choose to ignore Christ's instruction to "take and eat of This...THIS IS MY BODY WHICH WILL BE GIVEN UP FOR YOU...........and some think they can ignore this.....O.K., I guess....I'd never think of doing so....I LOVE the Eucharist.

3,522 posted on 12/28/2014 8:29:44 PM PST by terycarl (common sense prevails over all)
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To: terycarl

Placemarker


3,523 posted on 12/28/2014 8:32:00 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion ( "I didn't leave the Central Oligarchy Party. It left me." - Ronaldus Maximus)
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To: ealgeone
FWIW, the golden rays which radiate from the Body and Blood of Christ, reserved in the monstrance, symbolize the "Light of the World." Funny, don't recall any mention of these "montrances" in the early church

Nope, there wasn't, there was, however, a mention of "take and eat of this, THIS IS MY BODY, and Take and drink, THIS IS MY BLOOD" so you deny Christ's words, and concern yourself with a decorative gold monstrance...BRILLIANT !!!!

3,524 posted on 12/28/2014 8:40:09 PM PST by terycarl (common sense prevails over all)
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To: Springfield Reformer
Justification is by faith. Those with lives of rampant sin obviously don’t have faith. This isn’t that complicated. I think it’s just hard to accept.

I think the ones that have the MOST difficulty with accepting this simple truth are those who are the MOST proud of their own righteousness. "Gotta put in my own 2¢ worth to show God I deserve it.", they reason. Genuine soul-saving faith begins with the acknowledgment that I am a sinner and I deserve to go to hell. That I cannot save myself and I need a savior/redeemer. Those who have one foot on Jesus and the other on their own works of righteousness are not really trusting in Jesus Christ to save them. Those who believe faith AND works save them are only paying lip service to faith. They are fallen from grace.

3,525 posted on 12/28/2014 8:40:54 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: Syncro
Perhaps that is why Mary is the central figure in Catholicism.

no she isn't...it's her Child that we glorify, adore, and pray TO.

3,526 posted on 12/28/2014 9:21:51 PM PST by terycarl (common sense prevails over all)
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To: terycarl

That’s ‘catholic doctrine’ that the wine and bread are changed to his actual body and blood..it’s not Christian Doctrine.

In Communion we tkae communion in “rememberance” of Jesus and what HE did for us in Saving us. .....which was similar to God passing over those who had the blood of the lamb on the mantel. We take Communion as much in anticipation of His coming as we do ‘in remembrance’ of His dying, burial and resurrection.

It is written...”For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes.”....1Cor. 11:26 He did not say as often as you eat my body and drink my blood......

So I do not believe it suddenly changes to his body and blood via a priest’s abba ca dabbra......especially since the Priesthood was done with at the cross ...when the curtain was torn from top to bottom that ALL may enter the Holy of Holies...there was no longer a need for a Priesthood since Jesus IS our great high Priest....


3,527 posted on 12/28/2014 9:33:17 PM PST by caww
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To: terycarl
"take and eat of this, THIS IS MY BODY, and Take and drink, THIS IS MY BLOOD"

Then why isn't that done, instead of parading it (the little tiny wafer which is supposed to contain the complete Jesus Christ) around in a sunburst so it can be worshiped? Doesn't the cracker substance that it actually is get stale?

3,528 posted on 12/28/2014 9:34:53 PM PST by Syncro (Jesus Christ: The ONLY mediator between God and man)
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To: terycarl
...”no she isn't...it's her Child that we glorify, adore, and pray TO.”....

The mountainous evidence would prove otherwise. Saying one doesn't worship Mary when they bow, pray, kiss and various other behaviors “of worship” is just deceiving oneself.

And interesting how often catholics use the terms of “child” or son” but rarely to hear or see His name used.

Christians worship the risen Jesus Christ....who is ‘alive’ HE’s no longer in a manger, or in Mary’s arms, or on the cross, or buried...he's Alive!

3,529 posted on 12/28/2014 9:39:15 PM PST by caww
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To: terycarl

...”doctrine for 2,015 years”....

Which means nothing for if years practicing is the measure and standard then islam can name that claim as well...It has billions of adherents.

Jesus Christ had only 11 disciples by the time he went up to the cross . . . the pharisees had the power of the mob and the Roman establishment behind them.

Number doesnt justify anything.


3,530 posted on 12/28/2014 10:00:54 PM PST by caww
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To: boatbums

Good and interesting reading. Thanks for posting. Gives me some thoughts for further investigation.

Peace,

SR


3,531 posted on 12/28/2014 10:02:17 PM PST by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: terycarl

“I LOVE the Eucharist”

A weak substitute for Jesus Christ, the Saviour of the World.

No sign of you ever saying I LOVE Jesus


3,532 posted on 12/28/2014 10:06:23 PM PST by Syncro (Jesus Christ: The ONLY mediator between God and man)
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To: Syncro

( Just a note...I’m watching Fox ...Special of the Man who shot Osama....awesome and so worth the watch)...be back here after...


3,533 posted on 12/28/2014 10:08:27 PM PST by caww
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To: terycarl
Perhaps that is why Mary is the central figure in Catholicism.

no she isn't...it's her Child that we glorify, adore, and pray TO.

Yes she is.

Even on this website, there is more discussion by Catholics about Mary than there is about Jesus.

There is no Child to glorify, adore and pray to.

Christians have a risen Savior that we worship. Catholics should grow up and follow along.

Oh and terycarl it's alright to admit that you pray to Mary.

It's taken years of proving it to the Catholics here, but they now know that it's OK with the Catholic authorities to pray to Mary and many now admit it.

3,534 posted on 12/28/2014 10:14:52 PM PST by Syncro (Jesus Christ: The ONLY mediator between God and man)
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To: caww

Yeah I hear they want to crucify (had to use that word) him for speaking about it.

Obama had no problem in outing the inside guy (a Pakistani doctor) in Pakistan and he is still in prison there.


3,535 posted on 12/28/2014 10:16:57 PM PST by Syncro (Jesus Christ: The ONLY mediator between God and man)
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To: caww; EagleOne; CynicalBear; metmom; boatbums

Exodus 20 King James Version (KJV)

20 And God spake all these words, saying,

2 I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.


3,536 posted on 12/28/2014 10:41:29 PM PST by redleghunter (... we have a great High Priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God-Heb 4:14)
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To: af_vet_1981

You should really charge Luther rent for living in your noggin:)


3,537 posted on 12/28/2014 10:43:52 PM PST by redleghunter (... we have a great High Priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God-Heb 4:14)
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To: caww

Keep going. The pictures tell the story.


3,538 posted on 12/28/2014 10:45:26 PM PST by redleghunter (... we have a great High Priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God-Heb 4:14)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse
...let's face it, you can't talk him out of anything...

reminds me of *some* of these people around here

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3,539 posted on 12/28/2014 11:02:58 PM PST by BlueDragon (i'll be pimpin' this tune again soon)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
...."it's not 'adoring' the Blessed Virgin Mary, it's honoring her".....

Well this is not "honoring" it's something else altogether


3,540 posted on 12/28/2014 11:11:26 PM PST by caww
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