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To: annalex; CynicalBear; ealgeone; redleghunter; Elsie; Salvation; Mrs. Don-o; metmom; JPX2011
The two foundational counterscriptural errors of Protestantism are the “Sola Scriptura” and “Sola Fide”. Neither is in the scripture and the scripture teaches the opposite, plainly. Form Matthew 16 we learn that the Church is the complete rule of faith; from James 2 we learn that men are not saved by faith alone.

You are wrong on BOTH counts! We have the writings of many of the early church fathers that attest to the sufficiency of God's sacred and inspired word and their intrinsic authority as well as the doctrine of justification by faith alone. These two "solas" are HARDLY Reformation-invented doctrines. Here are but a few of the MANY places one can read them for themselves:

http://turretinfan.blogspot.com/2011/07/justification-by-faith-alone.html

http://carm.org/early-church-and-faith-alone

http://www.apuritansmind.com/justification/the-early-church-and-justification-compiled-by-dr-c-matthew-mcmahon/

http://www.equip.org/article/justification-the-catholic-protestant-argument-over-justification/

2,747 posted on 12/21/2014 9:15:37 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: boatbums

Why are we Protestants continually trying to uproot the tares?


2,768 posted on 12/22/2014 5:13:24 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: boatbums
Here are but a few of the MANY places one can read them for themselves:

BB....those links to the ECFs on faith alone were very insightful! It shows how far away from the truth the rcc has drifted.

2,770 posted on 12/22/2014 5:45:38 AM PST by ealgeone
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To: boatbums; CynicalBear; ealgeone; redleghunter; Elsie; Salvation; Mrs. Don-o; metmom; JPX2011
HARDLY Reformation-invented doctrines

That some fathers advanced similar ideas cautiously and before they became the center of Protestant set of errors, does not make them right. Moreover, typically the Protestant authors read the Fathers just as sloppily as they read the Bible. If you want to focus on one particular passage among several that you provided links for, post it and I'll discuss it.

For example, the first quote from Chrysostom in the first link can serve to prove the Catholic dogma that Baptism saves in itself and also that the person just baptized is free from sin and unless he commits a further sin is going to heaven, guaranteed. It does not logically expand into the notion that anyone believing in Christ is automatically saved just by that. Sloppy work.

3,061 posted on 12/23/2014 7:41:17 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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