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To: daniel1212

Perhaps I misinterpreted your original assertion.

Catholics definitely believe that the communion hosts become the Body of Christ - as He Himself said “This is My Body”.

They do, however, still maintain the appearance of bread, as does the communion wine maintain its appearance of wine, though it’s been converted into His Blood, as it was at the Last Supper.

I thought you were claiming it was actually converted into meat; if that was not your claim, I retract and apologize for my accusation.


296 posted on 12/15/2014 3:56:51 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: DuncanWaring
Perhaps I misinterpreted your original assertion.

As is easy to do with RC statements on her Eucharist.

Catholics definitely believe that the communion hosts become the Body of Christ - as He Himself said “This is My Body”. They do, however, still maintain the appearance of bread, as does the communion wine maintain its appearance of wine, though it’s been converted into His Blood, as it was at the Last Supper. I thought you were claiming it was actually converted into meat; if that was not your claim, I retract and apologize for my accusation.

It certainly was not my intent to deny that in transubstantiation the "actual flesh" means via supernatural mode. That the substance of the bread and wine is changed during the Eucharistic consecration into the Body and Blood, soul and divinity of Christ under the appearance of bread and wine, while His body in its spatial existence in Heaven remains, with the "accidents" of the bread and wine replacing the accidents of Christ’s body: his tissues, bones, and cells. Thus "While Christ’s body is in heaven according to his natural mode of existence, it can simultaneously be present in the Eucharist according to a supernatural mode of existence." http://www.catholicvirginian.org/archive/2013/2013vol89iss3/pages/article7.html

But as the above explanation states, "So, yes, the Eucharist is the actual Body of Christ." And thus while my statement ca be misinterpreted, as can that Caths believe Mary is the mother of God (inferring ontological procreation of deity), nonetheless it is a valid statement of what Catholics believe. "Under the appearance of bead and wine" could be added.

Of course, this is certainly not what Scripture teaches, as only the figurative view is consistent with the rest of Scripture, interpretive of the gospels, as explained in this post more.

in which men are said to be "bread" for Israel, and literal water is said to be the blood of men," and the word of God is "eaten," and by which man lives," and doing God's will is Christ's "meat," etc. And in which spiritual life is never obtained by physically eating anything, but by believing the word of God, which is how Christ lived by the Father, (Jn.6:57) and which is what nourishes souls. (1Tim. 4:6; Col. 3:16) <

And thus prayer and preaching is the primary function of pastors, (Acts 6:3,4; 1Tim. 4:1,2) versus men distinctively titled "priests" (from “hiereus”) offering the body and blood of Christ as an atonement for sin and given to souls to consume in order to obtain spiritual life.

419 posted on 12/15/2014 8:37:37 AM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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