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To: ADSUM

“Our communion with those in heaven, provided that it is understood in the fuller light of faith according to its genuine nature, in no way weakens, but conversely, more thoroughly enriches the latreutic worship we give to God the Father, through Christ, in the Spirit.


I have not yet understood if the Catholic`s actually worship Mary or if they are just accused of it, some deny it, others admit it and still others say they deny it and then say they don`t deny it.

So I will stay away from that part.

My question is about Mary and other Christian saints being in heaven, the only resurrection we know of is when Jesus was resurrected, I personally believe 144000 went with Jesus, which was the first resurrection.

Romans 8
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

Being glorified is what happened with Jesus at the resurrection so the people above would have to have been resurrected to be glorified.

I cor 15
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming.

Rev 14
These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. 5And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.

I believe it is plainly telling us that 144000 of the old testament people were conformed to the image of Christ and went with Jesus.

If there has been any one resurrected since then it would have to be on the last day, so if the last day is a thousand year day as peter said in 2 peter 3:8

But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Jesus said he would come for those who believed at the last day.

So if any of the Christian Saints are in heaven we must surely be living in that last day, and I believe we are.


427 posted on 12/15/2014 8:54:51 AM PST by ravenwolf (` Does the scripture explain it in full detail? if not how can you?)
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To: ravenwolf
Jesus said he would come for those who believed at the last day.

He did? Really? Where is that Scripture? What do you make of Matthew 25 about the sheep and the goats? Notice that both are surprised at their verdicts.

442 posted on 12/15/2014 9:33:10 AM PST by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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