Posted on 12/22/2014 6:17:46 AM PST by marshmallow
Again, do you have trouble reading? I told you what the Bible says in plain English, no spin, what it says. Now if you don't like it, you can spin it your way.
The LWF has a different take on the same book.
The LWF churches support abortion, support normalization of homosexual relationships. Their 'take' is as useless as any other non-christian's take on the Bible. They show themselves incapable of understanding God's Word.
Yeah, yeah, yeah....we know. The Bible is clear, it interprets itself, and the Holy Spirit guides you. Just like every other Tom, Dick and Harry with a Bible and an "authentic" understanding of it.
You're incapable of explaining why yours is the authentic truth.
“Only until all Schismatics and Protestants profess the Catholic Creed with conviction, when all Jews voluntarily ask for Holy Baptism – only then will the Immaculata have reached its goals.”
“In other words there is no greater enemy of the Immaculata and her Knighthood than today’s ecumenism, which every Knight must not only fight against, but also neutralize through diametrically opposed action and ultimately destroy. We must realize the goal of the Militia Immaculata as quickly as possible: that is, to conquer the whole world, and every individual soul which exists today or will exist until the end of the world, for the Immaculata, and through her for the Most Sacred Heart of Jesus.” - St. Maximilian Kolbe (First quote: Rycerz Niopokalenz, 4 (1922), p. 78. Cited from Father Karl Stehlin, The Immaculata Our Ideal, [Warsaw: Te Deum, 2005], p.37.; Second quote: Entry of Diary dated April 23, 1933. Cited from The Immaculata Our Ideal, p. 37.)
Because it isn't 'mine'. Holy Spirit guiding a follower of Christ through the plain words of scripture. It's too bad that you haven't been able to experience it after a life of having someone else tell you what plain words mean. God's promise to guide is in the Bible as well but you's have to read it to find it and have faith in the Deliverer of the message.
Yeah, yeah, yeah....we know.
A good synopsis from a person who has no personal experience, just the incomplete and redacted Cliff notes from the Catholic dispensary of all the truth you need to know.
When you track your communion with the libs in the article, before you follow your Pope down the rabbit hole, by the grace of God you may remember the admonition to pick up the authentic oracles of God.
Exactly what a Jehovah's Witness told me last week.
Remind us again why we should listen to you and not to him?
Oh that's right.....you can't.
“Rejoice, O Virgin Mary, for thou alone have destroyed all heresies. Thou believed the word of the Archangel Gabriel. A virgin still, thou brought forth the God-man; thou bore a Child, O Virgin, and remained a Virgin still. Mother of God, intercede for us.”
JWs are Christian now? That must be a another tradition heretofore unknown. Had you known your Bible, you might have asked about John 1:1.
Oh that's right.....you can't.
Have, in your state you are unable to see.
The JWs claim slavishly literal...and I mean literal adherence to Scripture. To the last comma and period.
You got a problem with that?
So literal they have their own translation....
Doesn’t everyone?
LOL, the demonstrated cluelessness is staggering. Slavish adherence, and yet they are NOT in any way Christian. Despite their claims. Please read up, then get back to me with an answer to the question: JWs are Christian now?
Here are a couple hints: (I'm at work so I can't live link) http://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/changed-bible-beliefs/, http://carm.org/religious-movements/jehovahs-witnesses/john-11-word-was-god
Well..... I must say I'm surprised!
After spending the entire thread telling us that the Bible is the only answer, apparently one can take that a little too far. Who knew?
You don't care for the JW's take on the Bible? Oh dear....well as it so happens, they don't care for yours, either. Wait a minute...don't tell me...there's an explanation! The Bible isn't self-explanatory after all!! No..no....that can't be it! You've just spent the entire thread telling us that it is! Um....I know.....the JWs don't have the Holy Spirit, like you. Yeah, that's it!
C'mon now. Here's your big chance.
Explain to us why slavish adherence to the Bible is not a good thing.
Tell us all why the JWs take that Bible thing a little too far......and tell us how a document which is self-explanatory, apparently isn't!
As I, have the Catholics removed Athanasius as a saint? I supposed that you knew some of your doctrine, but I counted on you knowing the ecumenical creeds.
What part of a CHRISTIAN reading the plain words of Scripture guided by the Holy Spirit could you miss? You bring me JWs as an example? Even the Catholic church knows JWs aren't Christian, is that not taught? At the same time pro-abort 'Catholics' aren't Catholic though a guy has to wonder at times. Similarly Lutherans go a step further. Pro-abort/pro-homo normalization 'lutherans, AREN'T. They violate the clear teaching of the Bible.
Pregnant human women have human offspring, not puppies, killing them via abortion is murder. Unrepentant murderers aren't Christian, the Bible of course speaks of this in Galatians.
Explain to us why slavish adherence to the Bible is not a good thing. Tell us all why the JWs take that Bible thing a little too far......and tell us how a document which is self-explanatory, apparently isn't!
I find it hard to believe that a Christian can have so little discernment. You obviously haven't read the links, even the one from the JW site. They make no bones about their doctrine. Not Christian. They have less awareness of the Creator than the beasts of the fields. Please contact a trustworthy co-religionist about this before you embarrasses yourself further on the night of the Incarnation the birth of our Savior.
BTW, don’t come back with the Mormons in tow either.
Ahhh....well that's interesting. Up to this point, you've been telling us that reading the Bible devotedly and sincerely makes one a Christian. The JWs certainly fit. You've been been leading us to understand that the Holy Spirit guides those who so do and leads them to the truth.
Now a contradiction.
Apparently, reading the Bible and taking it literally is no guarantee of Christianity.
It took a while, but thank you.
Even the Catholic church knows JWs aren't Christian, is that not taught?
You know what....the JWs may not be Christian. You may well be right. However, the rich irony of this appears completely lost on you. So here's a hint to help.
Isn't it quite extraordinary, where reading the Bible, in a subjective, individualistic manner can take one?
Thank you for making my point so beautifully.
Here's a group of people who take the Bible just as seriously as you, if not more so.
And where has it led them?
Answer in the next post.
You're dying here.
Nice try, but no. The JWs aren't Christian, the Holy Spirit doesn't indwell them, in fact their 'bible' has no Jesus Christ the Son of the Living God in it. There is no Gospel, it isn't a Bible.
Now a contradiction. Apparently, reading the Bible and taking it literally is no guarantee of Christianity.
This is an example of no reading comprehension. The lack of discernment helps explain to me why Catholics bow to statues. From the famous hymn: 'the heathen in his blindness bows down to wood and stone.' Spiritual blindness explains the next:
You know what....the JWs may not be Christian. You may well be right.
No 'May' about it. Can't even see that!
You're dying here.
Only to one who is already dead!
Dinner, I’ll be back.
Wow.......that's quite a statement.
I have no reason to doubt that the JWs are sincerely searching for God.
Do you?
The ones I know want the truth. Plus they have Bibles. That's the Protestant gold standard, isn't it?
One man sincerely seeking God, plus a Bible. The Holy Spirit does the rest. It's that simple, right? No bishops, priests, sacraments, saints or other malarkey, or am I talking to a "high" Protestant?
.... in fact their 'bible' has no Jesus Christ the Son of the Living God in it. There is no Gospel, it isn't a Bible.
Right....because if it is a Bible, you're checkmated.
Sorry, the JWs I've talked to read the same Scripture passages you read. I've discussed Luke's Gospel with them. I've discussed the words of the two men crucified with Jesus. We've talked about Acts. They certainly read the Bible and I'm here to tell you that there is nobody more serious about it than the JWs. Thanks for all the links but I'm intimately familiar with their teachings.
The essential point here is that....**no** they may not be Christian. Yet they read the Bible, avidly, seriously and devotedly. The same Bible which you breathlessly told us "speaks for itself". Remember? It's "clear", remember? What could possibly go wrong, right?
And so.....****my point****.....look where it has taken them! To the very fringes of Christian belief, if not beyond
Thank you for pointing that out and making my point for me.
The JWs are in fact the poster children for Scripture read in a bubble completely shut off from tradition.
They're an extreme example but there are a myriad of others. Is it necessary for me to point out other, non JW instances of crackpot theology based on "da Bible sez......"??
Well, Yeah! Ain't got no Jesus. Pretty hard to find God without Jesus. I know Catholics think Muslims, who also reject Christ worship the same God that Catholics do. Quite puzzling for one who reads God's Word.
The ones I know want the truth. Plus they have Bibles. That's the Protestant gold standard, isn't it?
Anecdotal at best, Christ is easy to find, but it helps if your 'bible' doesn't deny Christ as the Son, or contradict their own belief that there is only one God but Jesus ain't Him but 'a god'.
As Christ prayed to His Father "Sanctify them in the truth, Thy Word is Truth', if you don't have the truth, there can be no faith, no salvation.
Right....because if it is a Bible, you're checkmated.
But since it ISN'T, there is no checkmate and they aren't Christians, a requirement,(if you read and understand the Bible) for the Spirit to indwell.
Sorry, the JWs I've talked to read the same Scripture passages you read.
Your naivete is noted and a little sad. Since you have little discernable knowledge of scripture, any pleasant sounding word can sway. The lack of knowledge of the whole counsel of God leaves you unable to determine when someone is blowing smoke. Evidently you failed to receive the tract from the Vatican detailing the JWs.
The essential point here is that....**no** they may not be Christian.
The essential part is 'no they aren't Christians'. Sack up and pick the side of Christ. They are manifestly NOT Christian no matter how sincere they are. Even the RC can acknowledge that. It has gotta hurt sitting on the fence. For the sake of the truth, make a stand. Laodicean or what? (Revelation Bible talk)
look where it has taken them! To the very fringes of Christian belief, if not beyond
The 'Bible' hasn't taken them anywhere, they don't have it!They do have a ton of man-made theology. Perhaps that's why they appeal to Catholics.
Thank you for pointing that out and making my point for me.
You haven't had a point in all these postings other than denying the power of God's recorded Word. While consistent with Catholic teaching it isn't scriptural but it is indicative of how far Catholic theology has fallen from the days of Athanasius. Were he here, he would box your ears for the blatant downgrade of God's Word and your lukewarm attitude towards the things of God. He would eviscerate your shallow thought processes and remind you of the primacy of scripture for doctrine formation. Any ECF standing on the primacy of God's Word for the formation of doctrine has been long ignored. Nowadays they are trotted out if their body of work can be cherry-picked for a quote to support what passes for Catholic theology today. Frankly one believing as so indicated couldn't exegete or discern their way out of a paper bag if the open end was left open.
Is it necessary for me to point out other, non JW instances of crackpot theology based on "da Bible sez......"??
You might as well, since you have proven nothing, perhaps you can still learn something from the analysis. This time, let's see if you can manage a Christian perspective as it is the only one that counts in the end.
I'm guessing never read, maybe heard at mass. In any case, doesn't seem to have any impact.
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