Posted on 12/31/2014 8:27:36 AM PST by Salvation
“Not Rome itself.
The way i see it up until just the last very few years the Churches combined has had more power than any other power,
If the protestants which came from the Catholic Church gave their power to the mother Church there would be no power their equal”
Well, seeing as none of those churches has an army, or a single tank, jet fighter, aircraft carrier or nuclear warhead, I can’t really agree with your assessment. They may be influential, but they aren’t really powerful.
Also, Revelation says in no uncertain terms, when the angel explains the “mystery of the woman” in Chapter 17, that the woman is a city, not a church or churches:
“18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.”
“The Catholics say that the wine actually turns into Christ`s blood so could be called the blood of the saints since they say that the apostles also believed that the wine actually turned into blood.”
Do Catholics call it “the blood of saints”? No. Does the Bible say that the Catholic eucharist is the “blood of the saints”? No. Only you are saying that it might be.
In fact, the Bible uses similar language many times, and it is always to refer to the blood of murdered people, which God uses as a symbol of unfulfilled vengeance. That vengeance is exactly the topic of Chapter 18, finally being fulfilled, so it is no wonder that the symbol appears there. You really have to stretch the boundaries of reason to try to make it appear to represent anything else.
“Yes it was required of that generation, i believe that was fulfilled,...”
One more thing. Check out the meaning of the word “generation” in that verse, because it does not always correspond to the common modern English usage of the word. Sometimes it does, but other times, it means the entire lineage of a people or all the descendants of a person, as it is used in Genesis, for example “These are the generations of Noah”, etc. This is one of those words that needs to be carefully placed in context in a lot of Bible verses.
**“The Catholics say that the wine actually turns into Christ`s blood**
Christ’s words at the Last Supper.
You do believe Christ’s words, don’t you? They’re in the Gospels.
My goodness, what I read was a relatively straight forward piece on the need for us to pray and repent. To pray that our culture reverses course before it’s to late and it turns into a fight over definitions. Only on Free Republic.
Why that date?
We NEED to BELIEVE, REPENT, AND PRAY! AMEN to that!
Bump.
I think that you directed your post to the wrong person, because that was a quote from someone I was replying to.
Thanks, I sent him a note, I will let you know if I get an answer to this question.
Yup. Been saying for years. Hence my screen name.
No. Only you are saying that it might be.
Does the Catholic teach against not calling any one father except our father in heaven? no.
Does the Catholic`s teach that the Sabbath comes on the seventh day? no.
One more thing. Check out the meaning of the word “generation” in that verse, because it does not always correspond to the common modern English usage of the word.
Well, seeing as none of those churches has an army, or a single tank, jet fighter, aircraft carrier or nuclear warhead, I can’t really agree with your assessment. They may be influential, but they aren’t really powerful.
Hey, I understand if you don’t agree with doctrines of the Catholic church. I don’t agree with them on plenty of things myself.
However, you seem to be trying to fit a symbol from prophecy into a pre-existing notion of what you think that symbol should refer to, rather than letting the Bible speak for itself as to what the symbol means. Don’t take that the wrong way, it’s just “confirmation bias”, and we all have to be on guard that we aren’t engaging in it, because it’s such a universal human tendency.
If the references to the “blood of the saints” meant what you are thinking, then all the reference in the Bible to “blood of saints”, “blood of the prophets”, “blood of the innocents”, etc, which are all used in such a similar way, would have to be interpreted similarly. Otherwise, you have an inconsistent interpretation and that must be due to your mistake, for God is not so inconsistent.
Well, the chapter says it is more than influential, it says that the whore “rules over the kings of the earth”. The only way I can read that, in context with the revelation that the whore is a city, is to believe that the whore will be a city that is effectively the capitol of a world empire, which rules over all nations.
Daniel tells us that the “prince that will come”, who causes the “abomination of desolation” will do so in Jerusalem. This was confirmed by Christ in the Olivet discourse, specifically referring to Daniel’s prophecy. Then, John tells us in Revelation that the “great city” is where the Lord was crucified, and there is only one city described as “great” in that entire book (”Babylon the Great”). Then we are told that this whore, who has “Babylon the Great” written on her forehead, is a city, and that this city is accountable for the blood of the saints and prophets. We also have Jesus telling the Pharisees of Jerusalem that they are accountable for the blood of the prophets.
This is too many connections, explicit ones at that, for us to be searching around for other candidates. The whore, “Babylon the Great”, is Jerusalem, specifically apostate Jerusalem, whose people disobey God and reject Jesus until his final return. In Jeremiah 3, God speaks of both Israel and Judah as adulterous “harlots” whom he has written a bill of divorce. So, this is not new symbolism that the Jews of John’s day would have wondered about. They would have recognized those terms instantly as applying only to those who were once faithful to God, but had committed “spiritual adultery” by going after other gods.
Otherwise, you have an inconsistent interpretation and that must be due to your mistake, for God is not so inconsistent.
It may be just in my mind but the Golden cup completely changes the picture
There are some things I do agree with the Catholics about, and really wished I did not see it the way I do.
I have no more argument with the Catholic Church than I do with many others and that is religion.
Speaking of preexisting notions, that could also apply to the opposite.
Protestants and Catholics agree on this one topic, could it be because if the Catholic Church is the great whore that it would make the protestant Churches her daughters? which would also make them whores.
As I have said many time, I don`t know but that is just how it looks to me.
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