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To: roamer_1; Hope for the Republic
When Jesus gave the bread of life discourse in John 6 and performed the consecration at the last supper...

I can't find in the Bible anywhere where Jesus "preformed the consecration" at the meal he shared with his followers just before he was crucified.

He broke the bread and said This is my body, take and eat.

Then with the cup, he said take and drink.

"It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life." (John 6:63).
He did not say they were literal words; that is, He did not say that they were His actual body and blood.

I don't think our all powerful jealous God would like to have a belief system have a priest squish Him into a little wafer.

And then be worshiped as it it was Him, our Almighty God. Really!

Even Peter, made a ex post facto pope hundreds of years after he died, calls it bread AFTER the "last supper."

Jesus calls it the fruit of the vine.

He also calls Himself the the door, the bread of life, the Vine...I won't go into that further, but I wish I could believe in the literal Living Waters, I would love to see them gushing out of my belly!

158 posted on 01/11/2015 8:06:31 PM PST by Syncro (Benghazi-LIES/CoverupIRS-LIES/CoverupDOJ-NO Justice--Etc Marxist Treason IMPEACH!)
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To: Syncro; Hope for the Republic
When Jesus gave the bread of life discourse in John 6 and performed the consecration at the last supper...

I would call your attention to the fact that the above quote is not mine - It was italicized in my post, and was part of what I was quoting from Hope for the Republic, for reference in my reply.

I can't find in the Bible anywhere where Jesus "preformed the consecration" at the meal he shared with his followers just before he was crucified.

Well, that depends upon what you might call consecrating... He did give thanks to YHWH in two parts, as is customary on special occasions and Holy Feasts:

The bread is broken and held aloft, And very likely he spoke these words:
Blessed are you oh YHWH, creator of the universe, who brings forth bread from the earth...

Then he said, "This is my body..."

HE is the bread brought forth from the earth.

Then the cup:
Blessed are you oh YHWH, creator of the universe, who brings forth fruit from the vine...

Then he said, "This is my blood..."

HE is the fruit brought forth from the vine.

And as such, communion has been taken, since time immemorial by the Hebrews, long, long before there was ever a 'Christian'. It was nothing new, except in what Yeshua revealed.

He did not say they were literal words; that is, He did not say that they were His actual body and blood.

As I said above, he was showing what the rite (which they were practicing) meant in it's fulfillment.

I don't think our all powerful jealous God would like to have a belief system have a priest squish Him into a little wafer.

Of course not. It is borrowed from the pagans - Wafer, monstrance, incense, pomp and circumstance, and all the jangly bits... It was, to the Hebrews, a simple prayer. Research Mithra.

And then be worshiped as it it was Him, our Almighty God. Really!

Idolatry, by definition. No different than the golden calf at the foot of Sinai.

159 posted on 01/12/2015 12:21:23 AM PST by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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