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To: one Lord one faith one baptism

The 2000+ years claim always seems like advertising or even attempted subliminal brainwashing when slipped into a sentence that way. And as for the claim itself, I won’t go into all the ways that the Catholic Church is different from the faith presented in Scripture, as I have before in posts, but will just say look at how the pope and bishops dress. And look at the Vatican, and even the grand churches. Modernism appealed to me as a teenager, and then after learning a lot of history in college, grand churches did in my 20’s. But once I grew deeper in my faith and read the whole Bible, I saw all of it for the religion it is. Religion weighs down, and those grand churches turn the actual church, the people, into slaves to the upkeep of them, and so into business enterprises. The Christian people in Europe are taxed for their upkeep. That is so very far from the New Testament. And faith is not an external building, but internal in a person.

On the dress of the pope and bishops, too, I went back to my impression as a child. I didn’t know much at all, but the very basics of the Gospel, which I believed, but just from seeing the Catholic pope, and observing how he appeared before the crowds, it seemed so out of place with the senses the Gospel gave me, that it was a little disturbing to me as a child. And with the much more I now know and understand, I can see why I got that impression. The dress of leaders and the grand buildings aren’t just superficial trappings, but reflect the Catholic Church’s drift from the Gospel.

On your questions, they are in many ways straw men. Where will Catholics like Nancy Pelosi and Ted Kennedy go when they die?

The example of the killer who becomes a Catholic Christian due to the prison guard is far less common than those who become Christians due to evangelicals. Catholics feel far less of a need to share their faith, as studies have shown, and I know that personally as well. And if the man accepted Christ as his savior, then He was saved. On the answer you’re looking for, I’m not sure what Catholics would answer, but I imagine you will say either Heaven or purgatory, to work off his sins, although I know Catholics can believe people released from purgatory for different reasons.

On the other example, no one can say definitely that anyone else goes to Hell. But we are to discern things, and if that man did all that you said, he would be considered to, going on what’s known, not to have ever been born again to begin with. In a Baptist church there is no age for children to get baptized. They have to accept Jesus for themselves, and they are taught Scripture from an early age, and about giving their lives wholly and entirely to Him. Faith is not just in a corner of their lives. However, even here I see things changing in the U.S. because the church is accommodating itself to the world around it, and the world is getting further and further away from the Lord. But evangelicals are still behind on where mainline Protestants and Catholics are with that.

On the example of the second man, then, if had been saved, he would have persevered. The Bible has a lot to say on that. My question to you is what does Catholicism say about him if he’d been Catholic.


36 posted on 01/11/2015 8:14:04 AM PST by Faith Presses On
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To: Faith Presses On

“on the answer you’re looking for, I’m not sure how Catholics would answer”
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thank you for your honesty and making my point. 99% of the posts on FR where so called Catholic Faith is presented and opined on come from posters that have your level of knowledge.

caveat emptor


37 posted on 01/11/2015 9:05:04 AM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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