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To: metmom

Unbelievable that the author is dividing the human race into two human races without defining the terms. Is twice-born a movie, a singing group or Hindu social system?

I presume that he meant Baptism like the Sacrament initiated by Jesus in the Jordan that forgives original and actual sin.

Apparently the twice-born are the good guys and they can’t reconcile with or influence the bad guys.

We are all sinners (both groups) and as human beings made in the likeness of God. We have free will to either follow God’s will or not. And we often fail (sin) as indivduals not as a bad group. Some may practice their own religious belief or intrepretation and ignore God’s word and teachings. Each indivdual makes decisions to be moral or immoral and we find out when we die as we are judged.

The purpose and goal of the Church is to bring human beings to follow God’s will and to salvation.

The author’s statement: “The modern effort to bring peace between these two espirits is not only futile but contrary to the moral laws of the universe.”

We need to endure and follow Christ’s path and live by Jesus’s two great commandments. God’s Truth will prevail. Our role is to spread the Good News and by example bring as many as we can to God.


9 posted on 01/16/2015 8:41:48 AM PST by ADSUM
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To: ADSUM
Unbelievable that the author is dividing the human race into two human races without defining the terms. Is twice-born a movie, a singing group or Hindu social system?

Any born-again (born of the Spirit) Christian can show you in Scripture where Lord Jesus Christ told a Jewish religious leader that you MUST be born again.

John 3 (ESV)

3 Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born againb he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
4 Nicodemus said to him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?”
5 Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’
8 The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.” 9 Nicodemus said to him, “How can these things be?”
10 Jesus answered him, “Are you the teacher of Israel and yet you do not understand these things?
11 Truly, truly, I say to you, we speak of what we know, and bear witness to what we have seen, but youf do not receive our testimony.
12 If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how can you believe if I tell you heavenly things?
13 No one has ascended into heaven except he who descended from heaven, the Son of Man.
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up,
15 that whoever believes in him may have eternal life.

Ultimately, it comes down to who do you believe the most? Jesus Christ, King of Kings and Lord of Lords or...someone else's teaching.
12 posted on 01/16/2015 9:02:14 AM PST by Resettozero
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To: ADSUM

Perhaps you would give your definition of “salvation” and the “Good News” we should spread.


13 posted on 01/16/2015 9:20:12 AM PST by blue-duncan
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To: ADSUM
Unbelievable that the author is dividing the human race into two human races without defining the terms. Is twice-born a movie, a singing group or Hindu social system?

Nope...It's a term used by Christians who have been born twice...Born once in a natural birth (water) and born a second time in a spiritual (Spirit) birth...We were born once, and then born again, from above...

I presume that he meant Baptism like the Sacrament initiated by Jesus in the Jordan that forgives original and actual sin.

Nope...Getting water baptized is not a new birth...

We need to endure and follow Christ’s path and live by Jesus’s two great commandments. God’s Truth will prevail.
Our role is to spread the Good News and by example bring as many as we can to God.

Again, nope...A twice born person learns to trust the words of God put to paper by God...Being an example will bring no one to a 2nd birth...Bringing people to God is not the 2nd birth...

You must read to people or tell people or show people in the scriptures...

Rom 10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
Rom 10:15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
Rom 10:16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
Rom 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

18 posted on 01/16/2015 9:43:57 AM PST by Iscool
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To: ADSUM
We are all sinners (both groups) and as human beings made in the likeness of God.

Nope. Those who are redeemed, the saved who have been born again, are saints. They sometimes sin, but God does not see them or treat them as sinners.

Once a person is found in Christ, the righteousness of Christ is imputed to him, credited to his account BY GOD.

We are not sinners who sometimes do good things and even religious things. We are new creatures in Christ.

That makes a saint, who is living in enemy territory, the world which is under the control of the prince of the power of the air.

Judicially, we have been declared sin free.

Positionally, we are seated with Christ in the heavenly places.

Relationally, we are joint heirs with Christ.

23 posted on 01/16/2015 9:55:24 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: ADSUM

“I presume that he meant Baptism like the Sacrament initiated by Jesus in the Jordan that forgives original and actual sin.”

So Jesus was a sinner and needed Baptism? Your Bible doesn’t say one thing about sacraments does that mean it’s wrong?


76 posted on 01/16/2015 9:12:44 PM PST by mrobisr
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To: ADSUM
I presume that he meant Baptism like the Sacrament initiated by Jesus in the Jordan that forgives original and actual sin.

Could you post the passage that tells us the Jesus instituted baptism that eh Jordan River and told people that it forgives their sin and saves them?

Getting wet doesn't save anyone because it's not the shedding of blood because without the shedding of blood, there is NO forgiveness of sins.

Since water isn't blood, it CAN'T save.

101 posted on 01/17/2015 5:28:34 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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