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To: nickcarraway; NYer; ELS; Pyro7480; livius; ArrogantBustard; Catholicguy; RobbyS; marshmallow; ...
Faith is not alone, Scripture is not alone, Grace is not alone. We ought not separate what God has joined.

Catholic Ping!

2 posted on 01/16/2015 8:05:19 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

There are a lot of comments at the site.

http://blog.adw.org/2015/01/faith-is-not-alone-scripture-is-not-alone-grace-is-not-alone-we-ought-not-separate-what-god-has-joined/


3 posted on 01/16/2015 8:06:26 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

This should prove interesting. Thanks!


14 posted on 01/16/2015 8:40:16 AM PST by defconw (If not now, WHEN?)
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1. Faith alone - Paul said we are saved by faith, not works, lest any man should boast. Paul also warned about evil conduct.

2. Grace alone - an attribute of God

3. Scripture alone - If someone can’t read, they need to be guided by someone who has confidence in scripture. Also, scripture is not to be used for personal interpretation. The church acts as a shepherd, not as an institution that dispenses salvation, as this priest believes. Also, the early Christians relied on the Old Testament.


16 posted on 01/16/2015 8:44:40 AM PST by odawg
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To: Salvation

I think I’ll sit this one out.


62 posted on 01/16/2015 12:21:55 PM PST by Bigg Red (Congress, do your duty and repo his pen and his phone.)
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It would be hard to believe this defender of your faith is actually ignorant about how faith alone works...One would think so by reading this post but I'll just cast it off as deception...

Isn't it interesting that this bishop ignores the many scriptures written to the church that actually explain the faith alone position...

Just another faker and corrupter of God's word...

73 posted on 01/16/2015 2:20:01 PM PST by Iscool
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To: Salvation
It would be hard to believe this defender of your faith is actually ignorant about how faith alone works...One would think so by reading this post but I'll just cast it off as deception...

Isn't it interesting that this bishop ignores the many scriptures written to the church that actually explain the faith alone position...

Just another faker and corrupter of God's word...

First, Scripture as we know it (with the full New Testament) was not fully assembled and agreed upon until the 4th century. And it was Catholic bishops, in union with the Pope, who made the decision as to which books belonged in the Bible.

Nothing new here...What he failed to mention that it is the Catholic version of the bible with it's fake extra books that was created 300 years after Christians were preaching from the bible, being saved and building churches all over the known world...

The early Christians could not possibly have lived by sola scriptura since the Scriptures were not even fully written in the earliest years. And though collected and largely completed in written form by 100 AD, the set of books and letters that actually made up the New Testament was only agreed upon by the 4th Century.

True Christians were copying and re-copying and traslating into other languages long before the Catholic religion came up with it's own version...

This bishop isn't very truthful...But then his obvious goal is to bolster Catholicism's bondage of Catholics to it's system...

The rest of this article has been debunked so many time it's hardly worth the time to reject it yet again...

75 posted on 01/16/2015 2:33:46 PM PST by Iscool
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I guess I haven’t had the separatedness of being raised as a Christian that Msgr Pope sees.

1. I’ve thought about faith vs works and decided that they are linked, we get our salvation from our belief in and acceptance of Jesus as our Savior, we fulfill that faith by how we live our lives and what we do, which ends up being works, but the two are linked.

2. Grace: I’m not really understanding him here. I see our salvation as a Grace from God alone and His gift to us. But it is also because we seek it in accepting His Son’s message.

3. Scripture alone: reading a Bible without a dictionary or accompanying commentary, either written or from another believer makes getting a full understanding quite difficult. the ‘sola scriptura’ is based from a society that was already centered and steeped in Christianity, thus a basis was formed that gave amplification to God’s word. to pick up a bible with NO knowledge of Christianity may lead to accepting Jesus’s message of salvation, but it will be more difficult than for one of us today and may even be impossible without God’s intervention for understanding with that person. Thus I partly disagree with Msgr Pope on this, but also disagree with those who say that one ONLY needs scripture without any other writings or input on it.

Once again, Msgr Pope has provided a good meditation piece and is fulfilling his mission as a priest of sharing God’s word with all of us who have been lead to Him by His Son.


96 posted on 01/17/2015 6:33:49 AM PST by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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