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To: editor-surveyor; .45 Long Colt
Romans 3 perfectly supports my position, and destroys yours!

If your position is that men are saved by works, then the opposite is true. Chapter 1 and 2 of Romans deal with Paul's argument that both Jews and Gentiles (that is, the whole world) are condemned and cannot be saved because they are all found wanting. None of them can survive being judged by the covenant of works. It is strictly true that God will render to every man according to his deeds, and that the righteous will be rewarded, but all the world is guilty and there are none righteous, which is his argument in Romans 1 and 2:

"What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin; As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God." (Rom 3:9-11)

Even the Christian, who has been transformed by grace, yet remains in conflict with the sin in his body, and thus falls short of justification according to the law:

Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

Certainly no wretched man can ever enter into heaven if God marks his iniquity. But man does not go to heaven based on his own merits, but on the imputed righteousness of Christ that comes by faith. Therefore salvation must be by grace, and if by grace, then no one receives salvation as a result of their labor, otherwise grace is no longer grace, and all men descend into hell without any hope:

Rom_4:4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

65 posted on 01/16/2015 12:37:37 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

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>> “If your position is that men are saved by works, then the opposite is true.” <<

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That suggestion is a strawman if it is in response to anything I have ever said.

We are saved as a result of the faith that is propelled by God’s grace. That faith’s action within us is to produce the works that Yeshua has demanded of us, and which he and his apostles assure us are always present if the faith is real.

God’s word allegorizes this as “writing his law on our hearts.”

You clearly do not understand any part of Paul’s epistle to his Roman sheep if your first paragraph is any indication. Perhaps that is all that you are able to understand of it.


80 posted on 01/16/2015 3:07:58 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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