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Francis lambasts international aid, suggests Catholics should limit children
The National Catholic Reporter | January 19, 2015 | Joshua L. McElwee

Posted on 01/19/2015 5:25:30 PM PST by ebb tide

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To: Salvation
Have you heard of Natural Family Planning? (It’s not birth control.)

No,it is parenthood.

81 posted on 01/20/2015 6:33:46 AM PST by xone
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To: ebb tide

Pope Benedict stepped down to make way for him? Good Lord.


82 posted on 01/20/2015 6:38:26 AM PST by jersey117
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To: SpirituTuo

Sorry. The fact that Benedict XVI is still alive, means this guy’s election was dubious at best. I have tried to give him the benefit of the doubt, but I am becoming convinced that he is an imposter. And an idiot.


83 posted on 01/20/2015 7:05:45 AM PST by nanetteclaret (Unreconstructed "Elderly Kooky Type" Catholic Texan)
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To: ebb tide
"To enter the United States from the border of Mexico would be a beautiful thing, as a sign of brotherhood and of help to the immigrants," he said.

So would about 50 plus million Protestants walking into Catholic Churches and saying we're going to use your building and preach sermons. The Charismatics speaking in tongues will use it Mondays, the Holly Rollers on Tuesday, The Baptist on Wednesday, The Methodist on Thursday, The Assembly of GOD/Church of GOD/Church of Christ will use your building on Fridays and serve hamburgers to the others. Your church of course can pay the bill. We have no intentions of joining your church nor complying with your Dogma but you owe us use of your building.

That is the best analogy I can use to drive home the point we are a nation with laws and have a generous lawful immigration program immigrants should respect and so should The RCC Pope. The USA is also the most generous in foreign aid.

84 posted on 01/20/2015 7:15:23 AM PST by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: livius

One good thing about this: I don’t have to live by it.

Any pronunciation or direction as to how other governments distribute their wealth as charity is not in any way morally binding on me or a government.

Seeing that regulating birth is in accord with Catholic teaching through NFP or the old rhythm method; I don’t have to have some celibate man, Pope or not, tell me how many children I should or shouldn’t have.

Like too many of the episcopate (including this bishop of Rome), they can easily step out of bounds on issues they have no authority. And oft times make an ass of themselves.


85 posted on 01/20/2015 7:22:09 AM PST by ThomasMore (Islam is the Whore of Babylon!)
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To: NKP_Vet

I ask myself that question every day, because every day he says something dumber than the day before. On the flight where he insulted Catholics and compared them to breeding rabbits, he goes on to tell a reporter about him kicking someone in the ass because they said something he didn’t like. Just blabbing on trying to be funny. Remember when the pope actually conducted himself with grace and dignity? Seems like a lifetime ago.


What you said. : (


86 posted on 01/20/2015 7:32:12 AM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: piusv
Full quiver = Traditionalist Family = Not Good per Francis.

So we can now add "Rabbits"! to his "Little Book of Insults".

87 posted on 01/20/2015 7:50:27 AM PST by BlatherNaut
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To: BlatherNaut; piusv

He lost me when he made fun of the group that gave him the spiritual bouquet.


88 posted on 01/20/2015 7:54:48 AM PST by nanetteclaret (Unreconstructed "Elderly Kooky Type" Catholic Texan)
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To: marshmallow
However, IMHO, there is still a problem with the Pope's words as reported. Specifically, his use of the disparaging phrase "like rabbits" as well as his off-hand, derisory reference to the pregnant lady with seven children. Sadly, +Francis' words reinforce the popular pejorative stereotype of Catholics who heroically follow Church teaching and do not use artificial contraception. He could have made the point in a far more charitable, concise and less bombastic manner. However, as is by now routine, whenever a microphone is placed in front of him and a captive audience beckons, the sound of his own voice appears to be self-intoxicating.

There's what I've seen time and time again. He makes a 'compassionate' statement, followed by a completely uncharitable blast on Catholics who devoutly follow Church teaching. It's maddening.
89 posted on 01/20/2015 10:29:00 AM PST by DarkSavant
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To: knarf
I really do appreciate your reply, but I feel it is somewhat misguided in that, I was not attempting to be theological but strategic. If I applied all of my independent, fundamental Baptist attitude to all of my consciousness and language ... I'd be in a pulpit.

I understand. I just couldn't help but point out that the "war" is not winnable by men no matter how many we breed into a church. God has spoken and no strategy will countermand His Word. While I can't help spouting any more than many here, I also believe that we waste far too much time and effort resisting the Evil that Jesus told us not to resist - we can't stop it except in our own personal lives when we resist temptation to join in - all we can do is carry the Word and we get so distracted by trying to stop evil, and point out all that's bad, that we often for to carry the message of His Love. I believe we are all succumbing to Satan's trickery when we do this and he is getting obese from all the popcorn.

90 posted on 01/20/2015 10:53:05 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: AlaskaErik

Yeah, that infallibility thing. Well this is from a Catholic site explaining it to us heathen


91 posted on 01/20/2015 11:47:34 AM PST by Joshua (Jimmy is the reason for this)
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To: AlaskaErik

Yeah, that infallibility thing. Well this is from a Catholic site explaining it to us heathen.

Infallibility belongs in a special way to the pope as head of the bishops (Matt. 16:17–19; John 21:15–17). As Vatican II remarked, it is a charism the pope “enjoys in virtue of his office, when, as the supreme shepherd and teacher of all the faithful, who confirms his brethren in their faith (Luke 22:32), he proclaims by a definitive act some doctrine of faith or morals. Therefore his definitions, of themselves, and not from the consent of the Church, are justly held irreformable, for they are pronounced with the assistance of the Holy Spirit, an assistance promised to him in blessed Peter.”


92 posted on 01/20/2015 11:48:15 AM PST by Joshua (Jimmy is the reason for this)
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To: Salvation; Steelfish; piusv; BlatherNaut; SumProVita
I think you're confused. This thread is about the Pope's interview on the airplane which came after his prepared speech in Manila. The airplane interview is quite different than the Manila speech.

Here is a complete transcript of the airplane interview. Read it and weep.

Full Transcript of Pope's Press Conference on Flight from Manilak

Some excerpts:

I rebuked a woman some months ago in a parish who was pregnant eight times, with seven C-sections (cesareans). “But do you want to leave seven orphans? That is to tempt God!

That is an irresponsibility (That woman might say) 'no but I trust in god' But God gives you methods to be responsible. Some think that, excuse me if i use that word, that in order to be good Catholics we have to be like rabbits.

I think the number of 3 (children) per family that you mentioned, it is the one experts say is important to keep the population going,. three per couple. When it goes below this, the other extreme happens, like what is happing in Italy.

(Sum Pro Vita: I pinged you to this post because Francis seems to discount your just "trust in God" mantra.)

93 posted on 01/20/2015 4:58:50 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide
I think the number of 3 (children) per family that you mentioned, it is the one experts say is important to keep the population going,. three per couple. When it goes below this, the other extreme happens, like what is happing in Italy.

Oh I missed this gem! So he's quoting the population "experts" is he?

He makes me sick.

94 posted on 01/20/2015 5:02:55 PM PST by piusv
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To: ebb tide
I think the number of 3 (children) per family that you mentioned, it is the one experts say is important to keep the population going,. three per couple.

Appalling comment. Sounds like he's trying to maintain credibility with his liberal cohorts, the "global warming" crowd, in advance of his upcoming encyclical on the environment (which he apparently considers to be one of the most critical spiritual issues of our time). Smiley

95 posted on 01/20/2015 5:17:09 PM PST by BlatherNaut
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To: ebb tide

No, I’m not confused. This is what the Pope actually said, versus the comments on the airplane and how the lamestream media interpreted those.


96 posted on 01/20/2015 5:30:13 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Are you saying the Pope did not talk on the airplane? You have the transcript before your eyes. Head in the sand syndrome?


97 posted on 01/20/2015 5:33:25 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

The remarks on the airplane were in reference to the homily/speech he gave.

I’m just posted what he actually said and not what the airplane media interpreted it to be.

All the headlines were not in what he said the day before.....he may have been more casual on the plane, I really wish he would not grant those interviews since they seem to get so misconstrued.


98 posted on 01/20/2015 5:47:04 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Correction:

You posted what he said in Manila.

I posted what he said on the plane.

Apples and Oranges.


99 posted on 01/20/2015 5:49:24 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: BlatherNaut; piusv
So we can now add "Rabbits"! to his "Little Book of Insults".

It's a double insult because rabbits "pass two distinct types of feces: hard droppings and soft black viscous pellets, the latter of which are known as caecotrophs and are immediately eaten (a behaviour known as coprophagy [a word not unfamiliar to Francis])".

100 posted on 01/20/2015 6:02:36 PM PST by ebb tide
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