The Gospel According to the Church Fathers

The Cripplegate ^ | September 22, 2011 | Nathan Busenitz

[Colofornian]

(Last post from Matthew 23, v. 9)

[boatbums]

Well, here’s the problem: 1) I have no immediate reason to believe you, 2) I rarely post to my fellow Catholics within a thread and rarely get involved in their conversations for any length of time so I don’t read their posts within a thread since I’m spending my time reading posts written to me, 3) I know of no example of a Catholic outright lying about such a thing - but I have caught anti-Catholics lying about it on more than one occasion, 4) go ahead and call them on it. I don’t care if you do. If a Catholic is wrong, he is wrong. I have corrected Catholics when I saw something they posted to be wrong, but that is usually something I stumbled across.

Well, here's the thing: I don't care if you believe me or not. You were the one who challenged me with: "I’ve never seen them do it without attribution. Have you?". Is it illogical to then think you might be reading other Catholics' comments to have said this or was it just another careless, haphazard brush off to avoid acknowledging the facts?

No. That’s all I saved. I wished I saved more. You’ve done this before - even if you don’t remember it. It’s not about “nitpicking” or “grammar”. If a man who attacks the Catholic faith repeatedly, essentially claiming his invented sect must be better because Protestantism’s interpretation of the Bible is better and purer, shows himself to be dishonest even after GETTING CAUGHT - and only the Protestant anti-Catholics are doing this here - that says a lot about not only them, but their sect and Protestantism.

A wise person would realize that a few badly behaved people don't represent an entire group. Look how easily Catholics brush off the sordid history of their many depraved Popes - and these are guys y'all insist are vicars of Christ, His representatives on earth. I don't judge all of Roman Catholicism by the few Catholic anti-Protestant bigots that show up regularly on these kinds of threads. I see them as demonstrating their OWN dishonest and corrupt hearts. I don't believe ALL of Catholicism is wrong - there are many areas where I find complete agreement.

I have yet to come across Catholics doing online apologetics who are dishonest. They might exist, but I certainly have not run into them here at FR. Only the anti-Catholics seem to have this problem with honesty. Why is that?

Again, I see them posted frequently here - sometimes the SAME articles get re-posted even after they have been thoroughly debunked which is ignored by the re-poster as if they had never heard or read differently. How often do Catholic anti-Protestants trot out the "Luther card" here and say stuff like "Luther removed books from the Bible" when solid evidence is shown that no such thing happened? How many times is Luther trotted out as if he were the Pope and founder of the Reformation and Protestantism in order to smear ALL non-Catholic Christians even after that lie is disproved over and over? For someone who claims to be the champion of honest FR apologetic discourse, I don't think I have ever seen you stand up to your peers when such dishonesty goes on. Why is that?

[boatbums]

AMEN!!!

[Mark17]

Jesus is the only church father I need

Affirmative sir. We all know Jesus started the only true church, the Southern Baptist Church. 😄😃😀😊. LOL, I can see heads exploding right now. 😄😄😀😊

[boatbums]

Oh, you've done it now!!!☺

FYI...I got saved by a kind Southern Baptist Sunday school teacher simply showing me a passage in the Bible - John 10:27-30. The Holy Spirit open my eyes out of the fog of a false religion and I knew I need never go back. The SBC remains one of the most solid, straight on the gospel denominations there are these days. I'd still feel a common cause attending one.

[Mark17]

LOL. I figured that would get a rise out of someone. 😄 Actually, the catholics think the SBC dictates to all of them what they are to believe, kind of like Rome. While they cooperate with the SBC, each church is completely independent of all the others. I have been to some good ones, and a few others that I did not feel comfortable in. Ain't life grand?😄🎯🆒🎆

[boatbums]

Yessir it is!

Signing off for the night. Have a good week.

[GeronL]

That was a god one

[Mark17]

Why thank you. 🎯

[metmom]

And John the Baptist was the first member.

See, there’s a denomination even older than Catholicism and it’s even named by name in the Bible.

;)

[Elsie]

Sorry...but no Mormon temple baptism pool was available for Jesus to baptize said thief.

It mattereth not; for Mormonism has found OUT his NAME and has dead dunked him.

He can now CHOOSE to believe in the claims of Joseph Smith, Brigham ETAL

 

666 posted on Monday January 26, 2015 8:35:28 AM by When would be a good time for a couple of our clean cut young folks to stop by YOUR lovely home and explain to you and YOUR family the Restored Gospel®??)

[Elsie]

...show me ANYWHERE in the Bible where baptism is referenced as an "ordinance."

Well...

1 Corinthians 1:17
For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel:

[Mark17]

And John the Baptist was the first member

Yes, a charter member. He believed in full immersion baptism too. 😄

[Elsie]

I don't believe ALL of Catholicism is wrong - there are many areas where I find complete agreement.

Amen!

[Elsie]

I don't think I have ever seen you stand up to your peers

[Elsie]

John 10:27–30

 

27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand.

30 I and my Father are one.

 

 

I think the RCC must have this a bit different in IT's bible; for it is PRACTICED like...

 

 

John 10:27–30

 

27 My sheep hear THE CHURCH's voice, and IT knows them, and they follow THE CHURCH:

28 And THE CHURCH gives unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of THE CHURCH's  grasp.

29 My Father, which gave them to THE CHURCH, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand.

30 I and my Father are one. But Mary does most of the heavy lifting.

 

 

After all....

 

 

If they will NOT listen to the church...

 

 

[St_Thomas_Aquinas]

--- 1 Corinthians 1:17
For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: ---

Christ instructed the Apostles to "Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you" So how do we interpret Paul's statement in light of the Great Commission?

Loo at the passage in context

1 Corinthians 1:10-14, 16-18

I urge you, brothers and sisters, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, to agree together, to end your divisions, and to be united by the same mind and purpose. For members of Chloe's household have made it clear to me, my brothers and sisters, that there are quarrels among you. Now I mean this, that each of you is saying, “I am with Paul,” or “I am with Apollos,” or “I am with Cephas,” or “I am with Christ.” Is Christ divided? Paul wasn’t crucified for you, was he? Or were you in fact baptized in the name of Paul? I thank God that I did not baptize any of you except Crispus and Gaius, (I also baptized the household of Stephanus. Otherwise, I do not remember whether I baptized anyone else.) For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel – and not with clever speech, so that the cross of Christ would not become useless. For the message about the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

So Paul was baptizing

The theme of this passage is doctrinal unity, not baptism, So Paul's comments have to be seen in that light Paul is saying that his individual commission was, above all, to preach

[vladimir998]

Abortion.

That’s the word you need to find. Otherwise my point stands. And, of course, it will.

[vladimir998]

“FREEPER Mark17 references “Protestants” and then you cite “Mormons” as if they were part of the umbrella of “Protestants.””

False. I specifically put “Mormons” above the link and had that link separate from the links to Protestant examples.

Care to get something else wrong?

[Elsie]

Otherwise, I do not remember whether I baptized anyone else.

Baptism is damned important!!!