Mary Matters (Dr. Walter Martin on disbelief in the Mother of God)

Catholic Exchange ^ | JULY 26, 2014 | Tim Staples

[boatbums]

I think there is far more evidence that the Apostles all deserted Jesus during and after the crucifixion than there is that they stayed with him as he endured it all. It was only John and the women we are told in Scripture that were there. The others were afraid for their lives and hiding from the authorities.

[Mark17]

I NEVER feared my kids....got beat up a few times, but then they got transferred over to one of your adult facilities.

Shipping them to the big house, is usually what happened when they assaulted people. I hope they didn't hurt you much. I got assaulted twice, but never enough to require medical help. They tried to teach us to communicate with the inmates. Our talk got us out of lots of trouble. California is weird. We had inmates from all over the world. I met Chinese, Vietnamese, Laotian, Koreans, Burmese, Thais, Filipinos, central and South Americans. One young Jew from Israel and even one Air Force Academy graduate, and a retired Air Force E-9. We had em all. BGF, ABs, Crips, bloods, Surenos, Nortenos, bull dogs, border brothers, MS 13 and others I had not even heard of. It was a prescription for disaster, but staff injuries, did not happen as much as people might think. I had my fill of it though.

Be very careful when leading peopple away from Christ...He isn't real happy with Luther and He certainly won't be happy with the loss of anyones soul....be VEEEEEEEEEEERY careful.

Ya pays ya money, ya takes ya chances. I guess I will just have to take my chances 😄😇

[NYer]

Good morning and thank you for the post and ping. You asked: "I don’t understand how the author reaches the conclusion in the next to last sentence that the second person of the Trinity is no longer the Eternal Son if we don’t accept Mary as the “Mother of God”?"

This is not the author's conclusion. He is citing Dr. Walter Martin whose disbelief in Mary as the Mother of God, has devolved to the point where he (Dr. Walter Martin) no longer recognizes Jesus as the Eternal Son. Hope this clarifies your quandary.

[Elsie]

Your chosen religion is like a jail?

[Elsie]

I'm a corrections officer, a youth services officer in a Maximum security juvenile correctional facility...

Well; I guess THIS explains the authoritive tone you display on the pages of FR.

[Elsie]

more like Kalijah...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXW-C1VvlBw

[Elsie]

I’m sure Hank does!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtolv9kM1qk

[Elsie]

The sin that I've committed and the sin I've yet to commit.

AMEN!

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Faith in GOD is what KEEPS us; not continual REPENTANCE over sin!

[Elsie]

I'm sure you've run across plenty of folks who found a genuine repentance and conversion during their stint behind bars.

Care to share any stories?

[Elsie]

When I said mediator, I meant advocate. Our Lady pleads for us. When I said mentor, I meant Our Lady serves as an example of selfless devotion and faith in God.

You seem to have a hard time saying what you mean; it seems.

I don't. Mary is DEAD. She does NOT hear your prayers.

[Elsie]

You two keep this up and we’ll have a revival in progress!

[Elsie]

The Eastern schism did, indeed, deny the authority of the Pope....that changes nothing....when they return to the fold, and they will, we will all again be under his direct authority.

Authority...

GOD love ya...

When Francis tells YOU to jump; do NOT waste time asking, "How high."!

[Elsie]

I don't know all their names so I kind of include them in a lump request!!...

If you ever decide to become Mormon; and it's YOUR turn to help proxy baptize dead folks; do NOT admit that you do NOT know their names!

Bad form...

[Elsie]

I knew that there was an inerrant source somewwhere and silly me, I always thought that it was the 2,015 year old Catholic church.... and it's AUTHORITATIVE leaders!!

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Pope Stephen VI (896–897), who had his predecessor Pope Formosus exhumed, tried, de-fingered, briefly reburied, and thrown in the Tiber.^[1]

Pope John XII (955–964), who gave land to a mistress, murdered several people, and was killed by a man who caught him in bed with his wife.

Pope Benedict IX (1032–1044, 1045, 1047–1048), who "sold" the Papacy

Pope Boniface VIII (1294–1303), who is lampooned in Dante's Divine Comedy

Pope Urban VI (1378–1389), who complained that he did not hear enough screaming when Cardinals who had conspired against him were tortured.^[2]

Pope Alexander VI (1492–1503), a Borgia, who was guilty of nepotism and whose unattended corpse swelled until it could barely fit in a coffin.^[3]

Pope Leo X (1513–1521), a spendthrift member of the Medici family who once spent 1/7 of his predecessors' reserves on a single ceremony^[4]

Pope Clement VII (1523–1534), also a Medici, whose power-politicking with France, Spain, and Germany got Rome sacked.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bad_Popes

[Elsie]

Where did you ever read that she died???? (other than on here)

Uh...

...in the book you guys assembled??

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Hebrews 9:27
And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

[Elsie]

...the author reaches the conclusion...

Catholicism reaches LOTS of 'conclusions' that make no rational or biblical sense.

[Elsie]

I need to know how you do that.

You sure do!

John 14:26 But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.

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It's simple!

The book (that you guys put together) says to ASK.

You have not because you ask not.

You guys like a few verses in James why not accept THIS as truth as well??

James 1:5
If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.

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Trust the words your church has assembled, protected and published in the form of the Bible.

Use the Force; Luke!!!

Isaiah 55:10-11

"For as the rain and the snow come down from heaven, And do not return there without watering the earth And making it bear and sprout, And furnishing seed to the sower and bread to the eater;
So will My word be which goes forth from My mouth; It will not return to Me empty, Without accomplishing what I desire, And without succeeding in the matter for which I sent it.

[Elsie]

If it isn’t in the Bible, it is wrong.

I'd not quite go that far; but say it's UNNEEDED or UNNECESSARY.

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I've STILL not seen anything that the True Church provides that I NEED to get into heaven.

[Elsie]

I am 76 years old and I have been there and done that and you would be hard pressed to make the "there" and the "that" into anything routine

Well!

It's no WONDER you are so crotchety then!

[Elsie]

Nope, up until the time that perverted forms of the Bible began to appear, you could own all that you could find and all that you could afford

Oh?

Show me the evidence.