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To: Steelfish
So when these ECFs disagree with the rcc on mary, the papacy, etc....what say you?

Are you cherry picking only the quotes you like and ignoring the others?

146 posted on 01/25/2015 4:52:25 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone

Cherry-picking is for Bible Christians. Go ask the Osteens, Billy Grahams, the Moonies, Mormons, Jim Jones, David Koreshs, Jimmy Swaggarts, Rev. Schullers and the pastors of every corner street Foursquare Church each having their own interpretation. Either you accept Petrine authority (one Credo) under which auspices the Bible was painstakingly assembled in chapter and verse by the early Church fathers by including some texts, and rejecting others by resorting to the oral traditions and sacred ritual, or you don’t by ignoring Petrine authority and then selectively picking and choosing as do Bible Christians.

The early Church fathers were not only taught by the 12 apostles, they were also first-hand witnesses to the creation of the Church worldwide. Most, if not all, were martyred by being crucified, beheaded, fed to the lions at the Roman Coliseum, or boiled in oil. They were the ones empowered by the Holy Spirit (John 16:13 and 1 John 4:6), and who personally handed on the oral teaching of Jesus Christ, before the New Testament canon was created by the Catholic Church in the late 4th century, at the councils of Rome, Hippo, and Carthage.

One of the great early ones, St. Clement, is actually mentioned in the bible in Philippians 4:3. None of these early Church Fathers just stood up and started preaching on his own. They followed the Biblical model in Acts of “being sent” (Romans 10:15). Who sent them? Jesus sent the 12 apostles (“as the Father sent me, so I send you”). The 12 apostles then laid hands on others and sent them (Acts 6:6).

This apostolic tradition has been followed for 2000 years by the Catholic Church, who continuously lays hands on new disciples in every generation since Jesus walked the earth, and then sends them to the four corners of the earth to preach the good news of Jesus Christ, to forgive sins in His Name, and to bring Jesus in the Eucharist to us all. We, the members of the 21rst Century, owe these early Church Fathers a lot of gratitude, because they died horrible deaths in order to preserve and to hand on the ONE, HOLY CATHOLIC, and APOSTOLIC Word of God to us today.

This is the ONE teaching, ONE Credo, ONE truth, for all times. This is the faith examined by the power of reason and intellect and why the works of Augustine, Aquinas, Newman, and Benedict XVI are an essential part of the theological curricula at major colleges and universities the world over. They do not study the simplistic nonsense of the Billy Grahams, Osteens, or the Moonies!


152 posted on 01/25/2015 8:13:10 PM PST by Steelfish
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