The Absurdity of Separated Brethren

Beggars All ^ | February 11, 2009 | "carrie"

[Wyrd bið ful aræd]

No, I mean the Septuagint — including the Deuterocanonical books.

[CA Conservative]

Mary Keep You!

I can't tell if a sarcasm tag was implied in this comment. If not, then this is a prime example of ascribing qualities to Mary that are divine. Neither Mary, Peter, Paul or any other person can keep me. Only Christ, and to assert that anyone else can would seem to cross the line into idolatry.

[Elsie]

No, I mean the Septuagint — including the Deuterocanonical books.

Even the ones the Catholics LEFT OUT??

[Elsie]

The Catholic Church believes in no abortion for any reason and will never condone the murder of the unborn.

I hear ya!

58,000,000 so far have not been condoned at all; have they!

[Elsie]

The word ‘seem’ has crept into your post...

[CA Conservative]

Sorry, Morgana, James never says that works are what saves you. He says that good works will accompany salvation, but those works are the evidence of salvation, not the method of salvation. If you are saved, then your behavior will be affected by the spiritual change within you. But you can do good works without being saved.

Abraham was justified by his works, in that the actions demonstrated the faith he had in God - but Abraham was not saved by those works.

So while someone who is saved will do good works, good works cannot save anyone. That is the point that was being made. If anyone teaches that one can earn salvation through good works, then they are promulgating a heresy, and saying the work of the Cross is of no effect...

[dartuser]

The LXX is not the word of God!

I offer the opinion of the King James translators ...

From the original 1611 Preface ...

The translation of the Seventie dissenteth from the Originall in many places, neither doeth it come neere it, for perspicuitie, gratvitie, majestie; yet which of the Apostles did condemne it? Condemne it? Nay, they used it, (as it is apparent, and as Saint Jerome and most learned men doe confesse) which they would not have done, nor by their example of using it, so grace and commend it to the Church, if it had bene unworthy the appellation and name of the word of God.

[boatbums]

I'll see your James 2:26 and raise you a Galatians 5:4

You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace.

As for your partial quote of Philippians 2, here's the rest of the passage:

So then, my beloved, just as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your salvation with fear and trembling; for it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure. (Phil. 2:12,13)

I'll throw in another verse from Philippians, to further clarify Paul's instructions:

For I am confident of this very thing, that He who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Christ Jesus. (Phil. 1:6)

There are certainly many more that confirm our salvation is by the grace of God which He gives to us eternal life through faith in Christ and not on the basis of our works, merit, deeds, worthiness or righteousness. So, either we have contradictions in the Bible or someone isn't rightly dividing the word of truth. Those who think their good works have to be added to the blood of Jesus Christ to pay the penalty for their sins are really negating the blood of Christ. It is really saying that God requires we earn our justification and the truth is that we CAN'T. That is why it is by grace and not our works that we are saved.

Now, before someone goes into raptures over that, it is NOT saying our works aren't part of our walk in faith. God has created us UNTO good works which he has preordained that we should walk in them. Our acts after we become Christians demonstrate to the world the genuineness of our faith. God sees our hearts, men can only see the outward appearance. If someone claims to have faith but his life is filled with no fruit or bad fruit, then his faith is unproductive, is not a living faith, and he should examine his heart to see if he is in the faith. God desires we live holy lives as He honors and blesses that and we can be used to draw unbelievers to Christ when they see our holiness working on the outside.

Luther grew to understand this important lesson and he did NOT remove James from his Bible (nor the Apocryphal books, in case you don't know that). Luther wrote:

Fruits do not make the tree, but a tree is known by its fruits. Now just as a tree that does not bear any fruit is wood, a piece of hypocrisy that is similar to a tree, so faith is a piece of hypocrisy if it does not produce works. ... He (St. James) wants faith to justify its genuineness by works; not that man is justified before God by works, but that the faith which justifies before God is recognized by the witness of its works. We must, therefore, well understand his statement: "Was not Abraham, our father, justified by works?" (James 2:21). For Rom. 4:2 expressly contradicts this: "If Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God." However, James speaks of the works of faith. (He says) that these manifest and show faith, not that they make it or that anyone is justified by them. This appears from the text, for he teaches that a person should show his faith by the good works which he does toward his brother and sister who are naked, etc. (2:15 f.). It is, therefore, a different matter to speak of faith and its power, as Paul does, and, on the other hand, to speak of faith and its manifestation and demonstration, as James does. (W 6, 95f—E op var arg 5, 281—SL19, 1432)

[CA Conservative]

The word ‘seem’ has crept into your post...

I'm trying to present my point in a manner that may at least minimize the automatic defensive response that an accusation of idolatry is sure to evoke.

[boatbums]

Thank you!

Yes, I am a very thankful born-again Christ's-one. There is not a day that goes by that I don't thank God from the bottom of my heart for loving me and saving me. It is a humbling thing to think that the creator and sustainer of the entire UNIVERSE loves me and drew me to Him personally. This realization cannot help but change one’s thinking about EVERYTHING and I want to live the rest of my days in ways that bring honor and glory to Him, for He deserves it all.

[Partisan Gunslinger]

The Word of God that was selected and compiled by a bunch of Catholics, using Sacred Tradition as the measure. Oops.

The Catholic bible went through Alexandria, the KJV came through Antioch.

[vladimir998]

What I said still stands: And yet not a single Catholic here has ever denied any of the verses you posted nor ever once claimed that Jesus or the Apostles were liars about anything. And I would find it hard to believe you don’t know that fact either. So I have no idea who these “Catholic anti-Protestants” you refer to are since no Catholic here has ever done what you just asserted.

Catholics disagree with Protestant heretical opinions - not verses from scripture.

[editor-surveyor]

So the freemasons that translated the KJV impress you as authorities? Even after noting that the LXX didn’t even come close to the word?

[vladimir998]

editor-surveyor,

Do you believe all of the NT books were written in Hebrew? I believe it is possible one or two of the gospels were written in Hebrew (we’ll probably never know in this lifetime). But even if that were true, the fact that the Apostles, or their first century translators used the Septuagint for 6 out of 7 verses would indicate an incredibly high regard for LXX.

The two books I’ve read on the possibility of Hebrew gospels are:

http://www.amazon.com/Birth-Synoptic-Gospels-Jean-Carmignac/dp/0819908878

http://www.amazon.com/The-Hebrew-Christ-Language-Gospels/dp/0819908762/ref=pd_sim_sbs_b_1?ie=UTF8&refRID=0RK6C40S8VGAFP4KKP98

[vladimir998]

The founder of our Church is Jesus Christ. Bad popes centuries ago don’t worry me much. We have Christ and the Holy Spirit. You have a man-made sect. Enjoy.

[Wyrd bið ful aræd]

The KJV was most highly influenced by the politics of England at the time.

[Old Yeller]

Faith without works is dead, but it’s not the works that save you. The works is a result of the faith in God’s grace which regenerates the human’s heart.

[ealgeone]

We have Christ and the Holy Spirit.

Hate to break this news to you but all Christians have Christ and the Holy Spirit. So get off your high horse.

[Resettozero]

The founder of our Church is Jesus Christ.

Not a member of YOUR elitist prideful church, vlad.

Am part of HIS Church with only Lord Jesus Christ as the Head...and NOT the church that says Peter was its first pope.

The RCC is one of MANY church organizations; getting used to the idea?

[editor-surveyor]

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I believe what Paul wrote.

The oracles of God were committed to Israel.

The destruction of the gospel of the kingdom was clearly committed to Constantine, and he took his commission from Satan seriously. He also failed to obliterate the gospel of Matthew; it survived his mission.

The traces of his crimes also survived in the Greek versions of the gospels and epistles, in the form of clumsy cultural and translational errors that are scattered throughout them, to be found by those reading for understanding rather than to support churchianity.

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