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To: metmom; Arthur McGowan; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; CynicalBear; ...
If a person allows the Host to dissolve completely in the mouth, and never actually swallows any part of the host, he does not receive the sacrament.

Pinging a bunch of former Catholics for them to find out that for their entire lives, they had been lied to about how to take communion and that they never really received the sacrament. Now, that (not actually properly receiving the eucharist) according to Catholic doctrine would then probably put untold millions of Catholics for generations in hell.

I think you may be confusing dissolving and then swallowing (it has to go somewhere) versus chewing somewhat. To receive the sppsd body and body and engage in endocannibalism one must ingest it, but i find no infallible teaching that excludes dissolving and then swallowing, versus gently munching and then swallowing.

"Fr." Z's Blog, ...in a manual by Heribert Jone, OFM, we find the opinion that if one only allows the Host the dissolve in the mouth, one does not receive the Sacrament. -http://wdtprs.com/blog/2011/09/quaeritur-host-became-stuck-in-my-throat-did-i-commit-sacrilege/

250 Q: In receiving Holy Communion you must never let it entirely dissolve in your mouth, for if you do not swallow it you will not receive Holy Communion at all. - Baltimore Catechism No. 4, Thomas L. Kinkead; http://biblehub.com/library/kinkead/baltimore_catechism_no_4/lesson_22_on_the_holy.htm

This is a popular topic at Catholic Answers (where even many Caths get banned), which includes answers as,

In the Eastern tradition, where leavened bread is used, one must chew the Body.

Jesus is present in the host only for as long as the appearance of bread remains. If it is completely dissolved, the appearance of bread is gone, and so is Jesus. You would have held Him in your mouth for awhile, but not actually received Holy Communion as is intended.

The reason you don't want to chew is that your teeth have crevices and can hold a lot of the host...the smallest particle is the entire Christ - nondiscriminate chewing retains pieces of the host in your teeth which will prolong the real presence in your mouth without you even knowing it - unlike in your stomach where common oppinion is about 15 minutes before the stomach fluids break down the host and the Real Presence is gone.

How many people chew the host like a cracker then will go to breakfast immediately afterwards - it's just plain disrespect...the old catechisms even recommended not spitting for at least an hour after receiving... It's downright disrespectful to our Sovereign God to invite Him into your heart for Communion then go immediately to the KofC breakfast downstairs while the Real Presence of Christ still exists in your heart. - - http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=328042

Caths would be very uncomfortable according to the description of the Lord's supper in 1Cor. 11:19-34 , in which the members of the body of Christ were to "show," declare, His death for that body (Acts 20:28) and thus their union with Him and each other by unselfish considerate sharing of a communal meal. Which some were not doing by eating independently of others, shaming them that have not, and thus Paul said they did not come together to eat the Lord's supper, though they came to eat.

407 posted on 01/31/2015 4:00:10 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: daniel1212

I’ll take Him living in my heart by faith 24/7 thankyouverymuch.


409 posted on 01/31/2015 5:50:44 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: daniel1212

Wow again.

I am certain I read it in Jone-Adelman, about forty years ago. I was not aware that ANYBODY in recent times was discussing this.

I remember with crystal clarity being instructed to allow the Host to dissolve in our mouths. That’s why, when I read about this in Jone-Adelman about fifteen years later, it stuck in my minds.

There is NO WAY that anybody is in hell as a consequence of being badly instructed in how to receive Communion.


410 posted on 01/31/2015 6:47:45 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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