Posted on 02/18/2015 5:44:53 PM PST by RnMomof7
You one verse wonders always get it messed up...What's the context???
Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
The context is coming out from those who follow the law and ordinances...The context is those under the law judging Christians for eating meat on Friday and making sure their bishops are married with kids...Judging Christians for not observing lent nor any so-called 'holy days'...
Col 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
The verse does exactly the opposite of what you want it to...
It says it right in that passage. The reward is that others have seen you fasting. Some reward that ey? I would suggest reading the passage and see what God says to do and what will happen.
Admitting you've been wrong all your live is a hard pill to swallow.
I am interested in knowing how you personally define humility. What does it mean personally to you and can you describe what a humble person looks like?
That all sounds good but how about considering what God said on the matter? He said to wash your face and keep it in secret not make a public display of it by marking your face for all to see. He didn’t say you were glorifying Him by making a public display of it. In fact He said that only if you do it in secret would He reward you.
Appealing to what the Lord said is rather shallow when you don’t even follow what He said about how to do it. You might want to read Matthew 6:16-18 on the subject.
You can do as you wish. But when the Catholic Church declares that it and it alone is the true "church" and that salvation can be found only through it you can expect to be corrected by scripture. If we post scripture and you feel judged it's rather telling.
>>Are you saying that you don’t believe in obeying the Commandment: “Keep holy the Lord’s Day?”<<
First of all the commandment is "the Sabbath day" NOT "the Lord's day" Second it wasn't the first day of the week but the seventh. Twisting the words of God in some corrupted attempt to force compliance is not from God. Follow whatever made up religion you want but don't twist God's words in an attempt to make someone believe it's God's way.
But nobody is deemed *worth* the death of Jesus. That implies that somehow the person merited that death.
We are both worthy and unworthy of the death of Jesus at the same time.
We are unworthy because of our sin; our rebellion against God. There is simply nothing we can do to ameliorate our condition.
OTOH, we are worthy because we are created in the image and likeness of God. That HE deemed us of worth because of that. Because HE desires fellowship and relationship with us.
One thing I've noticed about the Catholic mindset and remember of it from my upbringing, is the mentality that somehow we can merit (earn) God's favor and approval, His forgiveness and His love, and His favor, all based on what we DO or don't do.
Until and unless people, (and this includes any non-Catholics who think that way) come to understand that God's dealings with us are totally based on HIS character, people will continue to be trapped int heir sins and works based effort to try to please God, to earn His favor and blessing, to appease His wrath - all a monumental waste of time.
I don't know how much you've been following the RF as I have not seen you post in a LONG time, but based on conversations we've had in the past, have you checked out the Tozer threads I've been posting? I think you'd really enjoy them. The keyword is *tozer*.
How are you doing, BTW?
I believe I said on another Lenten thread ,that I did not care what RC's did.. it is a pagan holiday and if they choose to keep it ... thats their choice
What I do care about is that they see the origins of Rome and understand that they are not "pleasing God" by their traditions.. those were all added by men not by God..
"feeling holy" is not being holy ..
Exactly ...ashes is little more than a "tradition" as is lent.. Give up candy and lose 10 pounds
There is no divine merit in those ashes .. there is no salvation in the ashes ... there is no merit in any of our works.. it is in only in the blood of Christ...
Actually what most of the saved feel is pity
You don’t have to agree with God’s decision to exchange bis Son for you.
From Wikipedia (in part)...
Humility is variously seen as the act or posture of lowering oneself in relation to others. In a religious context this can mean ... acceptance of one’s defects, and submission to divine grace.
Jesus often went to the desert (sometimes for many days) and fasted, humbling himself before his Father and the human souls for whom he gave his life. That’s the epitome of humility.
As he said, “He who is first shall be last, and he who is last shall be first.”
You are right. No one makes anyone read any thread on here. God bless.
I have wondered the same thing. What are they afraid of?
The issue isn’t God’s decision.
The issue is the mortal thinking that we can somehow be worth it or someone become worth it.
We can’t. There’s nothing WE can do that makes us worthy of that exchange, of God choosing to redeem us.
While we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
It is gratuitously offensive to suggest that I have NOT considered what God said on the matter. This sort of cloaked personal attack is rapidly growing old.
You see, we do not think of the sayings of Jesus as a new and demanding law which requires literal observance at the expense of the act itself. Those Protestants who speak most loudly of throwing off the old Law immediately adopt a new one, and use it as a basis to insult those with whom they disagree. Ashes on the forehead are not the issue in what Jesus says.
Jesus described the act of the Pharisee in terms of his motive and expectation. He disfigures his face to garner praise. He receives the praise he seeks and so has his reward.
But it is ridiculous to suggest that because one person marks his face for a bad reason, no one could possibly mark his face for a good reason. Some people maim themselves because they are very mentally ill. Others because they think it an act of piety which will earn merit. But YOUR argument is because SOME people maim themselves for bad reasons, therefore to remove a gangrenous leg would be bad. This is because your argument relies on externals, not unlike the arguments of Muslims. Even in court we are not so superficial and we distinguish between degrees of culpable homicide and even acknowledge that some homicide incurs no guilt. BECAUSE we see that "the object specifies the act," and therefore two different acts can both end up with a dead person at our feet.
But the reasoning trotted out every Lent -- because dissing Catholics is more important to Protestants than praising God and victory in a bogus argument is more valuable the learning the Truth in an honest discussion -- is - "OOH! Pharisees! Disfigured faces. Catholics (and many others) Disfigured faces! So Catholics are Pharisees!"
We are told Jesus and the twelve didn't always wash before they ate. The Pharisees did. I'm guessing most non-Catholics in the US wash their hands before meals. Therefore, according to the organon of this argument, non-Catholics are Pharisees, for they both wash before meals.
Squares have straight sides! Octagons have straight sides! Therefore Squares are Octagons!
You couldn't pay me enough to deal with this.
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