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Posted on 02/20/2015 12:33:03 PM PST by RnMomof7
The point is danced around and NEVER addressed by Catholics.
Mary's free will is NOT in question here.
The angel TOLD her what was going to happen: PERIOD.
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“Be it done to me according to your word.” the sheep of the USA replied.
Take it out of Mary's mouth and place it somewhere else. Don't work; do it!!
Not my intention to BEAT you.
Merely illustrating a lack of comprehension of simple English; due; probably; to the constant pounding of "What it REALLY means" into the brains of members of the Roman Catholic Church.
Or ANY organization that has to 'explain' the Scriptures to someone.
Mary’s free will is the key part of the equation. She could have said NO! Likewise, each of us can say YES or NO to His abundant graces. Each of us can be a temple of the Holy Spirit or not. Mary’s YES is the most significant YES of any human that has ever lived or ever will live. That’s why Catholic Christians venerate her.
No...it's why catholics worship her. Pray to her, have statues of her, churches named after her, whole degrees devoted to the study of mariology, etc. It's why the fifth marian dogma is being pushed to make Mary co-redemtrix, helper and advocate....roles already being performed by Jesus and the Holy Spirit. Mary is not need as she can do nothing in these areas except draw attention away from Christ.
I'd say that anyone who decides to follow Jesus has made the most important decision of their life....that would include Mary.
Mary's decision to say yes is not the most important one ever though. Not even close.
When Jesus said yes to the Father....saying, "Father, if You are willing, remove this cup from Me; yet not My will, but Yours be done."
....that is THE MOST SIGNIFICANT YES the entire universe will ever have. It tops anything Mary, you, me, or anyone else could ever do.
That's why we worship Jesus. He alone should be the center of all worship and praise.
You mean they think of her far above what is written (cf. 1Co. 4:6) even to basically making her a demigoddess. RCs teach that "She is the sanctuary and resting-place of the Blessed Trinity...the holy City of God, the greatness of the power which she wields over one who is God cannot be conceived, " that "...when she acts, it is also He who acts; and that if her intervention be not accepted, neither is His...." so that even God himself, is subject to the Blessed Virgin," in that her power is "so great that she seems to have the same power as God," "surpassing in power all the angels and saints in Heaven," for indeed ."the power thus put into her (Mary’s) hands is all but unlimited," and "there is no grace which Mary cannot dispose of as her own, which is not given to her for this purpose" and "through her alone does He dispense His favours and His gifts," and that "God gave her the power and the mission of assigning to saints the thrones made vacant by the apostate angels who fell away through pride....all the angels in heaven unceasingly call out to her...They greet her countless times each day with the angelic greeting, "Hail, Mary", while prostrating themselves before her, begging her as a favour to honour them with one of her requests...,' The whole world is filled with her glory,. "
But "she had to suffer, as He did, all the consequences of sin," "that Jesus and Mary suffered for our sins," that "We were condemned through the fault of one woman; we are saved through the merits of another woman." Sources .
in the the Catholic quest to almost deify Mary, it is taught by Catholics*,
as Christ was sinless, so Mary was;
as the Lord remained a virgin, so Mary;
as Christ was called the Son of God, indicating ontological oneness, so Mary is called the Mother of God (which easily infers the same, and is not the language of Scripture);
as the emphasis is upon Christ as the Creator through whom God (the Father) made all things, including Mary, so it is emphasized that uniquely “to her, Jesus owes His Precious Blood,” shed for the salvation of mankind, (the logic behind which can lead back to Eve);
as Catholics (adding error to error) believe Christ gave His actual flesh and blood to be eaten, so it is emphasized that Mary gave Him this, being fashioned out of Mary's pure blood and even being “kneaded with the admixture of her virginal milk,” so that she can say, "Come and eat my bread, drink the wine I have prepared" (Prov. 9:5);
as Scripture declares that Christ suffered for our sins, so Mary is said to have done so also;
as Christ saves us from the condemnation and death resulting from the fault of Adam, so it is taught that man was condemned through the fault of Eve, the root of death, but that we are saved through the merits of Mary; who was the source of life for everyone.
as the Lord was bodily ascended into Heaven, so Mary also was;
as Christ is given all power in heaven and in earth, so Mary is “surpassing in power all the angels and saints in Heaven.”
as Christ is the King of the saints and over all kings, (Rv. 15:3; 17:14; 19:16) so Mary is made Queen of Heaven and the greatest saint, and that “Next to God, she deserves the highest praise;”
as the Father made Christ Lord over all things, so Mary is enthroned (all other believers have to wait for their crowns) and exalted by the Lord as Queen over all things;
as Christ is the express image of God, and highly exalted above all under the Father, having the primary position among all creation, so Mary is declared to be the greatest saint of all, and the first of all creatures, and as having a certain affinity with the Father, with a pre-eminent resemblance which she bears to the Father;
as Christ ever liveth to make intercession for the saints, so is Mary said to do so;
as all things come from the Father through the Son, so Mary is made to be the dispenser of all grace;
as Christ is given all power on Heaven and on earth, Mary is said to have (showing some restraint) “almost unlimited power;”
as no man comes to the Father but through the Son, so it is taught that no one can come to the Son except through Mary in Heaven;
and as the Lord called souls to come to Him to be given life and salvation, so (in misappropriation of the words of Scripture) it is said of Mary, “He that shall find me shall find life, and shall have salvation from the Lord;” “that through her are obtained every hope, every grace, and all salvation. For this is His will, that we obtain everything through Mary.”
And as Christ is given many titles of honor, so Mary also is, except that she is honored by Catholics with more titles than they give to the Lord Himself!
Mary was a holy, virtuous instrument of God, but of whom Scripture says relatively little, while holy fear ought to restrain ascribing positions, honor, glory and powers to a mortal that God has not revealed as given to them, and or are only revealed as being possessed by God Himself. But like as the Israelites made an instrument of God an object of worship, (Num. 21:8,9; 2Kg. 18:4) Catholics have magnified Mary far beyond what is written and warranted and even allowed, based on what is in Scripture.
In addition, although (technically) Mary is not to be worshiped in the same sense that God is worshiped, yet the distinctions between devotion to Mary and the worship of God are quite fine, and much due to the psychological appeal of a heavenly mother (especially among those for whom Scripture is not supreme), then the historical practice of Catholics has been to exalt Mary above that which is written. As the Catholic Encyclopedia states, "By the sixteenth century, as evidenced by the spiritual struggles of the Reformers, the image of Mary had largely eclipsed the centrality of Jesus Christ in the life of believers." (Robert C. Broderick, ed., The Catholic Encyclopedia, revised and updated; NY: Thomas Nelson Publishers, 1987, pp.32,33)
Discuss the issues all you want, but DO NOT MAKE IT PERSONAL.
Huh? You allow anti-Catholic bashing and when I say I won’t continue talking to the tormentor you tell me not to make it personal? Would you tolerate tirades against Judaism on FREE Republic? I hope not. Just allow anti-Catholic bashing.
Ad hominems such as calling other posters names, reading their minds, attributing motives to them or making the thread "about" a particular Freeper are all forms of "making it personal."
Discuss the message, not the messenger.
No, that makes sense. I get it. People can call the largest Christian faith the Whore of Babylon, but it’s personal if I call them ignorant and arrogant. Makes sense.
There is NO equation!
Quit trying to TWIST the text into saying something IT DOES NOT!
Mary’s YES is a TOTAL fabrication of the Roman Organization!
Wake up and READ!!!
Thank you! I’ve been screaming the same thing to myself all morning.
Good!
You are FINALLY seeing the difference.
When Jesus said yes to the Father....saying, "Father, if You are willing, remove this cup from Me; yet not My will, but Yours be done."
....that is THE MOST SIGNIFICANT YES the entire universe will ever have. It tops anything Mary, you, me, or anyone else could ever do.
To try and equate Mary with this displays a lack of understanding of the Word and Who Jesus really is and what He's done for us.
I’m only seeing that you think this is a website for you to bash a religion with bigotry.
The Religion Moderator is protestant and a friend of management and can do no wrong.
So if you sneeze in the direction of a prot you will be zotted.
On the other hand prots can insult Catholics with impunity and not even a slap on the wrist.
That’s why I occasionally jump in just to make fin of them.
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