Posted on 02/20/2015 3:22:59 PM PST by NKP_Vet
“.... These include what are ‘alleged’ to be the hair and breast milk of Mary the mother of Jesus, pieces of John the Baptist’s head, and Peter’s brain and teeth. All are worshipped by the Catholic faithful.”
You are desperately misled. The Catholic faithful worship ONLY God.
“.... These include what are ‘alleged’ to be the hair and breast milk of Mary the mother of Jesus, pieces of John the Baptist’s head, and Peter’s brain and teeth. All are worshipped by the Catholic faithful.”
You are desperately misled. The Catholic faithful worship ONLY GOD.
I distort nothing. I have read the official words of the Catholic Church. Continually offering the sacrifice is denying what scripture teaches.
There's that "prove a negative" false premise again. It's actually the Catholics that have to prove that it's taught that we should pray to those departed from this life and that they can hear and respond. It's also incumbant upon them to show why they dismiss the Holy Spirit and replace Him with Mary and their so called "saints".
Sorry, but YOU are the one who NEEDS to prove your assertion.
Jesus exhorts us to obey TWO great commandments.
Since YOU claim that the command of Jesus EXPIRES at death, YOU need to prove the claim that we cannot and do not obey the second great commandment after death.
The burden of proof is ALWAYS on the guy who claims that the teaching of Jesus is either null, or that it expires.
Scripture says it's the Holy Spirit that intercedes and helps us pray. Catholics say it's Mary and their so called "saints". Scripture says to go boldly to the throne of God and not to some counterfeit priest. Scripture never once condones praying to anyone who has passed from this life other then God. I don't have to prove scripture. Catholics have to prove how what they have added is condoned in scripture. If they can't we can know that it's simply a man made up religion.
>>Jesus exhorts us to obey TWO great commandments.<<
Loving your neighbour now includes praying to them? When did that happen?
>>Since YOU claim that the command of Jesus EXPIRES at death,<<
I claim you need to stop loving someone after they die? Please show where I ever said that. The Catholic fallacy of those who have passed from this life still being active in this life is no where found in scripture. It's a pagan myth.
>>The burden of proof is ALWAYS on the guy who claims that the teaching of Jesus is either null, or that it expires.<<
And still you have not shown where Christ nullified the prohibition of eating blood. The double standards of Catholics is astounding.
I hardly see any point in replying, since you turned most of what I said inside-out.
My question is: Where does Scripture teach that THOSE WHO ARE IN HEAVEN cannot and do not obey the second great commandment?
YOU claimed that those in heaven CANNOT obey the second great commandment.
But Jesus tells us to obey the two commandments. There is no conflict between the two commandments.
Since you are the one who is contradicting Jesus, you bear a considerable burden of proof.
....”No, Cardinal Bertone is not ADORING or WORSHIPING the blood of JPII.”.....
.... then what does catholic worship look like?
Kneeling, bowing, praying and kissing ‘behavior/acts’ have all been shown in photos of catholics doing so before idols, statues, pictures and many other articles.......so if that isn’t worship then show us what catholic worship is please.
There you go with that "prove a negative" again. The only record we have of anyone saying anything in heaven from scripture is those who were beheaded and they were only concerned with vengeance for their deaths.
>>YOU claimed that those in heaven CANNOT obey the second great commandment.<<
I did what? Please show the post where I said that. Otherwise please don't make things up.
>>Since you are the one who is contradicting Jesus, you bear a considerable burden of proof.<<
In not way do I contradict Jesus. Jesus said to go directly to the throne of the Father. Jesus said the Holy Spirit would help us pray and intercede for us. Catholics made up the concept of Mary and their so called "saints" interceding in place of the Holy Spirit.
Catholics follow a Jesus that sinned by eating blood. I follow a sinless Jesus who never once sinned in any way.
.....”Scripture never once condones praying to anyone who has passed from this life other then God.”......
That’s exactly right...and scripture forbids us from trying to communicate with the dead.
Dead saints remain part of the body of Christ, but there is a separation from the living saints. The same Lord who healed paralytics during his earthly ministry will one day give His people a glorified and immortal body and gather us all together.... Until then we must face the sad consequence of death: separation!
Every Catholic knows that praying to Mary or the saints is completely different than asking a fellow believer for prayer though they often use that as an excuse to pray to their dead saints.................Let’s say then a Christian brother comes and kneels before you, How would you react if he calls you his advocate, his hope and refuge?.... What if he thanks you for the many graces you conferred on him and for delivering him from hell?.... Suppose he tells you that he confines his salvation to your care and pleads with you to stay with him until you see him safe in heaven?.....Would you call that “asking a fellow Christian for prayer”?.... Of course not!
Yet this is exactly what catholics do when they pray to dead saints...., as an example to their Mary, which is not the Mary of the scriptures:
Prayer to Mary by St. Alphonsus.
“Most holy, immaculate Virgin and my Mother Mary! To you who are the Mother of my Lord, the Queen of the world, the Advocate, the Hope, and the Refuge of sinners, I have recourse today, I who am the most miserable of all. I render you my most humble homage, O great Queen, and I thank you for all the graces you have conferred on me until now, especially for having delivered me from hell, which I have so often deserved. I love you, O most amiable Lady; and for the love which I bear you, I promise to serve you always and to do all in my power to make others love you also. I place in you all my hopes; I confide my salvation to your care. Accept me for your servant and receive me under your mantle, O Mother of Mercy. And since you are so powerful with God, deliver me from all temptations; or rather, obtain to me the strength to triumph over them until death. Of you I ask a perfect love for Jesus Christ. Through you I hope to die a good death. O my Mother, by the love which you bear to God, I beseech you to help me at all times, but especially at the last moment of my life. Leave me not, I beseech you, until you see me safe in heaven, blessing you and singing your mercies for all eternity. Amen. So I hope. So may it be.”
God makes it very clear....”The person who turns to the spirits of the dead and familiar spirits to commit prostitution by going after them, I will set my face against that person and cut him off from the midst of his people....Lev. 20:6
It would then cause one to wonder who intercepts these prayers to saints....since only Jesus is our intercessor...and how do they know they're being heard? I believe it is possible their prayers are intercepted by "the dark side" who love to imitate the departed...and anything or one that would keep people from speaking directly to God.
One would think that would be a sombre message to Catholics.
....”One would think that would be a sombre message to Catholics”....
Not unless it comes down from Rome...and that’s not going to happen.
Those are all your interpretations of things you’ve seen in photographs.
The problem is that your interpretations are based on years of poisonous, demonic, anti-Catholic propaganda.
Very early Christians prayed for their dead relatives and friends. There are many inscriptions in the Roman catacombs and elsewhere to this effect.
Those inscriptions are not, of course, Scripture. They testify to what was believed by the earliest generations of Christians.
But sola scriptura is a totally un-Scriptural man-made doctrine. Even though it is self-contradictory, because it is not taught in Scripture, it is believed by millions of people because of relentless brain-washing, not because it makes any sense.
Vatican priests carry a dug up corpse on their shoulders before the church congregation... Roman Catholic priests worship of corpses, skulls and bones is throughout the church worldwide....This behavior is truly disgusting by anyone's standards.
Corpses of Papua New Guinea Tribe pays respect to the dead by curing them and hanging them above their village to look over them.....the highest honour they can bestow on their dead... .They are sometimes brought down 'for special events and celebrations', and returned soon after.
The sternum bone of Francis Seelos on display
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