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13Then Jesus came from Galilee to the Jordan to be baptized by John. 14But John tried to deter him, saying, “I need to be baptized by you, and do you come to me?” 15Jesus replied, “Let it be so now; it is proper for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness.” Then John consented. 16As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and lighting on him. 17And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.” (Matthew 3)
John is baptizing with water, but Jesus is going to baptize “with the Holy Spirit and with fire.” There are only two baptisms – one of the Holy Spirit, and the other of fire. Everyone MUST have one or they get the other.


17 posted on 02/21/2015 8:36:27 AM PST by impactplayer
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To: impactplayer
John is baptizing with water, but Jesus is going to baptize “with the Holy Spirit and with fire.” There are only two baptisms – one of the Holy Spirit, and the other of fire. Everyone MUST have one or they get the other.

A few thoughts...The passage says "Holy Spirit AND fire", not "Holy Spirit OR fire". In Acts chapter 1, we have the account of Jesus' words to His disciples before He ascends to heaven:

    On one occasion, while he was eating with them, he gave them this command: “Do not leave Jerusalem, but wait for the gift my Father promised, which you have heard me speak about. For John baptized with water, but in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.”

    Then they gathered around him and asked him, “Lord, are you at this time going to restore the kingdom to Israel?” He said to them: “It is not for you to know the times or dates the Father has set by his own authority. But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.”

    After he said this, he was taken up before their very eyes, and a cloud hid him from their sight. (Acts 1:4-9)

And in the next chapter of Acts, we read:

    When the day of Pentecost came, they were all together in one place. Suddenly a sound like the blowing of a violent wind came from heaven and filled the whole house where they were sitting. They saw what seemed to be tongues of fire that separated and came to rest on each of them. All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit enabled them. (Acts 1:1-4)

From the Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary:

    and with fire—To take this as a distinct baptism from that of the Spirit—a baptism of the impenitent with hell-fire—is exceedingly unnatural. Yet this was the view of Origen among the Fathers; and among moderns, of Neander, Meyer, De Wette, and Lange. Nor is it much better to refer it to the fire of the great day, by which the earth and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Clearly, as we think, it is but the fiery character of the Spirit's operations upon the soul—searching, consuming, refining, sublimating—as nearly all good interpreters understand the words. And thus, in two successive clauses, the two most familiar emblems—water and fire—are employed to set forth the same purifying operations of the Holy Ghost upon the soul.

78 posted on 02/21/2015 6:49:14 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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