Posted on 02/24/2015 3:58:46 PM PST by RaceBannon
Great! Thanks.
My cat has hit the keyboard a time or two and that “view source” has come up (don’t know which key he used to get it). I never realized it could be used that way. Makes sense.
#1 Moon phases have nothing to do with the weekly Sabbath (Six days shalt thou labor but upon the seventh ye shall rest). They have to do with festival days.
#2 When the weekly Sabbath happened to land on a festival day it was called a “high day”. See John 19:31.
#3 If you worship on Sunday instead of Gods appointed Sabbath, then you really are following Rome.
Cheers.
Discuss the issues all you want, but do NOT make it personal.
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>> “the problem is when people refuse to believe what it says, and call it allegory so they can continue in sin and unbelief” <<
Precisely!
And so that they can declare themselves ‘scientists.’ Above those that have to believe God did what he said he did.
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Do you mean in the sense that when Romans 1:18-20 says:
...that men are without excuse in their denial of a Creator, then I would agree. The evidence is all around us and God created us with the mental capacity to interpret what we are seeing and know it didn't all happen out of chaos, by accident. There is too much design and order in the universe and within our own world to have as our first assumption that it has no purpose or was without a plan.
I have enjoyed listening to a radio broadcast called "Privileged Planet" from Equip.org, Bible Answer Man, which can be read HERE. In it the author states:
First, the unique conditions necessary to support intelligent life turn out to provide the best overall conditions for scientific discovery. Examples abound. Earth is situated between two arms of a flattened spiral galaxy—the Milky Way—not too close to the core to be exposed to lethal radiation, comet collisions, or light pollution that would obscure observation of the distant universe; and not so far that a privileged planet could never form or where we would not observe different kinds of nearby stars. Moreover, the atmosphere of our privileged planet is both oxygen-rich for survival and transparent for discovery. The moon is the perfect size and distance from earth to stabilize rotation and to facilitate human habitability. Not only so, the moon and sun’s relative sizes and distances from earth provide perfect solar eclipses, which played a vital role in the development of modern science (e.g., determination of the nature of stars and confirmation of Einstein’s general theory of relativity).
Furthermore, we live in the best overall age of the universe to do cosmology. In our time the cosmic background radiation left over from the Big Bang is readily observable, but it won’t always be. Furthermore, this radiation confirms that the universe is not eternal but began in the finite past. Moreover, most of the astrophysical phenomena astronomers rely on to measure the universe were not observable earlier in the universe’s development, and they will eventually fade (e.g., cosmic background radiation)—but neither could we have survived at earlier or later stages.
Finally, the setting of our privileged planet permits a stunning diversity of measurements, from the universe at large (cosmology) to the smallest of subatomic particles (quantum physics) to the middling size of earth and humans (geology and anthropology).
From habitability to discoverability, earth’s status in the universe is surely one of privilege. To reduce this to an accident of cosmic evolution is shortsighted; to recognize it as privileged, sublime.
It is the glory of God to conceal a matter; to search out a matter is the glory of kings. Proverbs 25:2
It also says these are the generations in which the earth was made, what would be the purpose of that if everything was made in six literal days? common sense?
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Additionally, Old Earth theories invoke a lack of purpose, and a belief in random outcome.
Both impossible for a believer to hold.
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So, I don't disagree with you at all that Scripture was NOT aimed towards the wise of the world, the intellectual, or the scientific minds. Simply that when it does mention something it always turns out to BE the truth, because it is from the mind of God - how can it NOT be! These so-called "scientific" examples I truly believe were put there by God to demonstrate that it is from HIM and not man. He told the Israelites, for example, that He would tell them things before they happened so that when they happened as He said they would, they would believe that He was God. See Deuteronomy chapter 13.
I didn’t read this tripe ,,
It was AGES ,, you cannot count in “days” when the unit of measure (a single rotation of the earth) has not yet been created.
But again this is to make a presumption about the manner in which it speaks about something.
Metaphor is a very heavily used thing in love language. It can include some things that would be nonsense if taken literally, or would invite silly questions that miss the point.
Somehow it is theorized that a constant clock was out there ticking in some manner.
Even the need for a shift of metaphysics does not deter those who take such a theory. When metaphysics changes, the laws of physics will too.
In the brouhaha it seems to be missed that in general, the Lord saw fit to memorialize His creation “day/ages” by paralleling them with the ordinary days of the week that we now know. I wonder how many 24 hour creation day literalists ever get up on a particular week day thinking of the creation acts (or rest thereafter) which that day memorializes? Now that would be a new angle on devotions. But I have not seen it, except for Judaic-Christian takes on the Saturday sabbath. Why? Maybe too much stress on form, too little on substance?
Kind of hard not to draw that appearance by implication. I’m not the one going around saying people are damned by holding the wrong theory of creation — unless it is SO wrong that they can’t even believe they were created to have a choice of going for good or evil, and even after muffing that, to have a better than fair chance at being saved. Which says nothing about days, hours, ages, whatnot.
I’m saying our modern biases are towards trying to make things like the creation days woodenly literal. Even those of old realized the action of the sixth day suggests a great dilatation compared to a wooden 24 hour day.
Why? Maybe too much stress on form, too little on substance?
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