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None of this discussion has anything to do with Yeshua’s return to Earth. Coming in the cloud is not a return to Earth, that comes 15 days later, after the wedding feast.
Again, there is no church anywhere! Church is a gross mistranslation. It is all about his assembly, which is everyone that will be saved from Adam to the 7th trump.
We all return with him when he comes at the East gate.
You are making fruit salad out of God's word.
The “dark ages” is the rule of the “catholic church” prior to the reformation.
>> “Where in the passage does is suggest that can’t happen on the same day of the Lord?” <<
It would slay the rest of the scriptures! It all has to fit together. Yeshua had already revealed to his disciples that His elect would go through the tribulation.
The mystery of Iniquity is the false teaching that Torah was fulfilled.
Now here is the most deceptive and miserable strawman:
And the bigger question, why would God forsake and turn his back on his children,(He Won't) withdraw the gift of Holy Spirit (nothing says anything about the Holy Spirit, he remasins with us) protection and basically leave them unprotected in the face of the worst persecution in history, leaving them for certain death with no chance of protection or survival? (He promised to protect us in the desert if we obey his commandments) The body of Christ“Church”Assembly being abandoned ( what an imagination!) and subject to the great tribulation clearly goes against the promises God made to his children repeatedly in theChurchepistles.
All of that is the creation of confusion and deception.
He doesn't forsake anyone just cuz he isn't following Satan's big lie of the pre-trib rapture!
His promise is that he will take us to the place in the desert that he has prepared for our protection. That isn't forsaking us. Its the pre-trib lie that goes against all of the word.
“None of this discussion has anything to do with Yeshua’s return to Earth. Coming in the cloud is not a return to Earth, that comes 15 days later, after the wedding feast.”
Christ will be seen by all in the return to Mount Olives as discussed in Revelation, unlike the gathering in the air in Thessalonians where Christ will only be seen by the Saints while the world is left in chaos and confusion. Clearly a different event.
“nothing says anything about the Holy Spirit, he remasins with us”
The Holy Spirit restraining force will be removed as discussed in Thessalonians.
“The body of Christ “Church” Assembly”
OK, I’ll play into your symantics game. Can I say Saints?
“He promised to protect us in the desert if we obey his commandments”
If you presume to be part of the 144,000. The rest who turn to Christ at the time will be persecuted and murdered.