First, you continue to claim that if God DOESN'T say in scripture that x, y, or z is not, then it's completely okay to say that x, y, or z is. This is not logical. When we look to God's word, we look for his instruction, rule, guidance, and truth. When there is an absence, you cannot just say, "well, if God didn't say it, then... holy tradition, popes in pointy hats, blah, blah, blah. Sorry. It just doesn't work that way. But, sadly, that is the way Rome's Cult DOES work. And when one argues with that point of view, one cannot be reasoned with, or shown truth because anyone who subscribes to this point CANNOT be reasoned with. There is no reason to appeal to!
Secondly, this quote: No. God established the Roman Catholic Church... and logic trumps error.
God did not establish the Roman Catholic Church. There's is nothing in scripture that supports this. Oh, I know you'll point to tortured and twisted verses about keys and Peter being the rock and all the other tired pablum that Rome has fed you. But, it does not make it so. Reasoned reading of God's Word shows that Christ did establish his church -- those who, through the grace and faith provided them by God Almighty, believe and trust in Christ as their savior and Lord. That is the one true ("catholic' with a little c, not "The Cathoilc" as in cult) church.
And finally, this one nails the coffin shut on our discussion....
But they were sinners. Born that way. Conceived that way. None righteous...not one MEANS what it says. Sorry. But it does. Rome's explanation once again falls short of truth.
All right. Now: please explain what sins are committed by, for example, unborn children. Then, please explain how unborn children (and others of like mental ability) who die could possibly attain Heaven, since they have manifested no "saving faith".
Did you not read the text above your question? Did you not see where I stated that we are all BORN sinners? Conceived in sin? Original Sin. Unborn children too, sadly, because of Adam's sin in the Garden. We ALL bear that burden. So did Mary, by the way. WE ARE ALL BORN DESERVING DEATH. God saves whom he saves. If he chooses to save a child, then, that child is saved regardless of whether or not he or she dies in the womb or shortly after he or she is born. That is God's choice. If God chooses to save anyone, then that person is saved. Once justified, we're provided the grace and faith to believe. Try reading Romans. And Ephesians. Really.
So. Since there can be no reasoning here, let's just agree to disagree. My hope and prayer is that The Lord will open eyes and hearts. I'm so thankful He did mine.
Hoss
Sorry for the delay... swamped, over here.
Hoss, with all due respect: your post has gone from “discussing” to “ranting” in one ambling jump (and the ratio of “harsh, baseless assertions” to “reasoned discourse” has risen from 30/70 to about 90/10)! When an opponent starts digressing to diatribes about “you’ll never understand, because you’ll never see the light, take the blinders off, give up your enslavement, blah, blah, blah...”, even I start thinking that the conversation is over... because the opponent has run out of constructive things to say.
If you’d like to chat again about substantial things, ping me... but I don’t care to be an absorbing sponge for mere ad hominems and dismissive rhetoric. Believe me, I have far too much to do on my end to invest time in nonsense like that.