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To: RnMomof7
Scott has figured out how to milk Rome for a "comfortable " living ...He is group leader on pilgrimages for 206 travel agency. He has his own page Dr. Scott pilgrimages $$$$$$$ from Catholics

(*wry look*) I see. So, are you saying that his conversion is inauthentic, that he's greedy and avaricious, or that he's trying to aggrandize himself at the expense of truth, (using the Gospel as a mere pretext), etc.? I just want to be clear about whether you're insinuating something about him, or not...

“Scott Hahn who, by his own testimony, experienced a ‘miracle’ shortly after he began praying the rosary is now experiencing questions about his resume. Hahn testifies he joined the Catholic Church because of his experience with the rosary. He claims to have been a pastor of the Trinity Presbyterian Church before converting to Catholicism. We now find out from the Office of the Stated Clerk, headquarters for Presbyterian Church of America (PCA), that he was never an ordained pastor and that Trinity Presbyterian Church never existed. This was uncovered by Bob Bowrosen who directs a counter-cult ministry in New York called Mars Hill Ministries. A copy of this letter on PCA letterhead is available from PTG (Proclaiming the Gospel) to anyone sending a stamped self-addressed envelope.”

...and from the same website, on the very next paragraph:
"Mr. Hahn acknowledged these facts but offered an explanation. Trinity Presbyterian was an independent church with an average attendance of 30 when two of its elders laid hands on him in a private ceremony in 1982. He served as their Associate Pastor for about two years. The church remained independent until its closing in 1986. Mr. Hahn told me the reason for his private ceremony was because he did not feel he was very qualified to serve as an elder at age 26, but needed the ordination to take the pastor's exemption from Social Security."
So... are you calling Dr. Hahn a liar? His original account and the secondary account seem to mesh together, do they not? (Beyond that: given the splintering of the Presbyterians, is it really surprising that they've spawned numerous private places of worship which still consider themselves Presbyterian? Unless you're willing to consider every last Presbyterian "fragment" to be illegitimate, I'm not sure how this furthers your case.)

Given that the author ("Becky") dropped the point (and went off on a rant about the Rosary), don't you think you should, too? Or shouldn't you at least include the resolution of the accusation, in your account?
58 posted on 03/03/2015 6:18:02 AM PST by paladinan (Rule #1: There is a God. Rule #2: It isn't you.)
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To: paladinan
So... are you calling Dr. Hahn a liar? His original account and the secondary account seem to mesh together, do they not? (Beyond that: given the splintering of the Presbyterians, is it really surprising that they've spawned numerous private places of worship which still consider themselves Presbyterian? Unless you're willing to consider every last Presbyterian "fragment" to be illegitimate, I'm not sure how this furthers your case.)

YES I AM.. if a church opened that called itself Roman catholic .. would it be Roman Catholic? Would their priests be in the "apostolic" line? LOL

He told a bald face lie..HE WAS NEVER ORDAINED BY THE PCA ..THAT, like Rome, has standards and keeps records of those that can call themselves PCA..that is true of all branches of Presbyterians..

He lied to make himself more valuable to Rome..and it has paid off nicely

70 posted on 03/03/2015 7:59:27 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: paladinan; RnMomof7
***Trinity Presbyterian was an independent church with an average attendance of 30 when two of its elders laid hands on him in a private ceremony in 1982. He served as their Associate Pastor for about two years.***

THAT'S IT? That's Hahn's claim to being ordained in a Presbyterian Church? What is essentially a independent Bible Church with the name Presbyterian on the sign out front?

That is laughable!

That "ordination" would not transfer to any denomination in the Presbyterian family.

He was as much Presbyterian as Pope Michael is Roman Catholic!

77 posted on 03/03/2015 10:41:11 AM PST by Gamecock (Joel Osteen is a minister of the Gospel like Colonel Sanders is an Infantry officer.)
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To: paladinan
So... are you calling Dr. Hahn a liar? His original account and the secondary account seem to mesh together, do they not? (Beyond that: given the splintering of the Presbyterians, is it really surprising that they've spawned numerous private places of worship which still consider themselves Presbyterian? Unless you're willing to consider every last Presbyterian "fragment" to be illegitimate, I'm not sure how this furthers your case.)

Uh, no. Having witnessed the process, that's not really how it works.

114 posted on 03/03/2015 4:41:47 PM PST by Lee N. Field ("And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise" Gal 3:29)
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