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1 posted on 03/05/2015 10:22:56 AM PST by NYer
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2 posted on 03/05/2015 10:23:12 AM PST by NYer (Without justice - what else is the State but a great band of robbers? - St. Augustine)
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CO EXIST

We can worry about the morality later.

3 posted on 03/05/2015 10:27:10 AM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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5 posted on 03/05/2015 10:28:45 AM PST by dangus
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Absolutely correct. There is no over-riding “authority” in Islam to declare what is valid and what is not.

Also, interpretations of the Koran basically ended in the 10th century. There has been no debate or new “schools of thought” since then (viewed as legitimate anyway) as to Islamic dogma and epistemology.

Moreover, Islam is, and has been fully entwined with governance and politics of the mid-east since its founding. Therefore, it is highly biased politically - in sum, it means whatever the leadership of the country from which an Imam speaks wants it to mean.


7 posted on 03/05/2015 10:31:00 AM PST by PGR88
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David French, in an article at Patheos.com, writes that there is no “true Islam.” So how can anyone, myself included, definitively say that “Muslims think so-and-so,” or “Islam teaches X and not Y” when it’s all open to individual interpretation? A Muslim can interpret the Qur’an to say that it’s acceptable to kill non-Muslims, or that it’s unacceptable to kill non-Muslims, and there’s no ultimate authority to tell that person, “No, your interpretation is wrong and is not a reflection of true Islamic teaching.”

Catholics will need to answer that for themselves. From the Catechism of the Catholic Church:

841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. " The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."

8 posted on 03/05/2015 10:34:00 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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Islam is a religion of peace and does not promote violence

(1) "Peace", as defined by secular persons is an absence of mass violence in a region with a high degree of personal freedom.

(2) "Peace", as defined by a Christian, is a knowledge that Christ died for our sins and through God's love for mankind we can possibly achieve eternal life in heaven.

(3) "Peace", as defined by a Muslim, is a world where everyone is in a state of submission to Allah. "Islam" means "submission to Allah". The Quran provides both voluntary and non-voluntary means to obtain this submission. Non-voluntary means include violence.

11 posted on 03/05/2015 10:48:46 AM PST by kidd
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There is only one use of the word “jihad” in the Koran. It is what we moderns might term violent jihad.


12 posted on 03/05/2015 10:48:57 AM PST by arthurus (it's true!)
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13 posted on 03/05/2015 11:07:55 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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In countries with moslem majorities (or even a critical mass of a minority of moslems), the interpretation of islam is stricter than elsewhere. In other words, most of the moslems in the most islamic countries do, actually, pretty much want to kill us all, or at the very least, make us all dhimmis.

Islam must be destroyed.


22 posted on 03/05/2015 12:13:08 PM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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I don’t think there is a pope in Christianity, either.


30 posted on 03/05/2015 4:12:46 PM PST by Doulos1 (Bitter Clinger Forever!)
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Dear JoAnna Wahlund,

“Going back to the “Coexist” refutation, I don’t believe that the author’s intent was to say that every single Muslim on the planet would eradicate all non-Muslims if given the chance.”

This is precisely what the 12er Shiite sect in Iran believes, and why they as many nuclear weapons as possible for use against the non-believers, the Great and Little Satans, and Rome. They believe that mass blood will bring the 12th Imam out of the well he climbed into centuries ago; he will smell the scent of that blood, emerge and lead all of humanity to Paradise (aka extinction).

The Sunni, on the other hand, will leave alive only those non-muslims who are willing to be dhimmis or those wealthy enough to pay the non-Muslim poll tax. All others will be killed.

All muslims not willing to go along with either overall plan will be considered apostates and killed. So if there is some “peaceful” muslim lurking in some dark alley, he will be found and will either follow the plan or be killed. Therefore and ultimately, your attempt to defend Islam is misleading at best, taqiyya at best because it is correct to say that “every single Muslim on the planet would eradicate all non-Muslims if given the chance.”


32 posted on 03/06/2015 6:25:08 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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