In all fairness Time Magazine and FDR also celebrated Hitler in the same time.
No one around in 1938 could have imagined what the future held for the Nazis so I tend not to worry about who did or did not approve of Hitler prior to the war.
What matters is who approved of the SOB after the war started.
And while you know full well I am not a fan of the LDS church I absolutely must recognize the contributions in blood and flesh that so many young LDS men made to victory against Hitler.
Respectfully,
Megan
Joe Kennedy, Roosevelt’s ambassador to England, was also an enthusiastic supporter of the Nazis in the 1930s. What’s your point?
The Nazis were against brothels? The authors are ignorant of Salon Kitty (yup) which was a sanctioned brothel for Nazi officers?
There was a BBC series, I believe, “Sarg. Schultz,” which spoofs that and other bits of NAZI history. It’s a comedy, believe it or not.
So I didn’t read from there on, as the facts and claims at the start just don’t sync with what is known history. Everything else is therefore doubtful.
Colofornian!
How’s my favorite purveyor of Anti-Mormon Bigotry?
.....without Mormons to knock ....do you even have a life?
Hey Colofornian, what is the big deal on this thread, it seems like several readers just don’t want this topic brought up. I mean, isn’t it legitimate to explore like other historical topics? After all, this guy wrote a book about it. Have you read the book, and I wondered what you thought of it?
Are prostitutes a persecuted minority now?
This reflects the overriding support given the Third Reich by Protestant Churches in Germany at the time. See this report:
http://www.secularhumanism.org/library/fi/paul_23_4.html
On the other hand, the Catholic Church was aligned against Nazism, though on the personal level a great number of individual German Catholics were as supportive as other Germans of the time.
I think Colofornian is a closet Mormon with a weird complex. Or nutts.
He got to see Hitler in a parade and took a picture but the SS guard behind them took his camera. He and his mission companion also were arrested one night and interrogated all night as "American Spies". They did convince the gestapo they were just young missionaries.
Some Mormons were sympathetic to Hitler but many were not. For example Helmuth Hubner was one of the youngest men executed for resisting Hitler but his Bishop was for pro-Hitler. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helmuth_H%C3%BCbener.
Complicating thing was how it was hard to tell how loyal someone was or wasn't. In one area his barber (who's SS uniform hung on the wall by the barber chair) asked my grandpa (who was 20 years old) if he would donate money to help save some Jews. My grandpa didn't know if it was a trick or not. After the war he contacted him. the barber was serious. He was helping smuggle Jews, but also an SS member.
Generally German Mormons were like other Germans, some were for Hitler some were against and most were just trying to survive. My grandpa and his companion had a car with guards assigned to follow them around during the day so non-Mormons and Mormons alike were reluctant to meet with them. He said even as Americans in Berlin they knew Hitler was evil but it was still hard to be unnafected by the propaganda. He said in the American media (at the time in the 1940's) they always show Hitler's frenzied speeches, frothing at the mouth. But in most speeches he actually spent an hour working the crowd up to that crescendo. So the Hitler the Germans saw was more deliberate and reasoned than what Americans at the time saw. More worrisome is my Grandpas take on America tight now. He is 96 now. About 4 years ago he sent a letter to the extended family stating that the America now (politically, media, propoganda) feels like his time in Germany in the late 1930's.
Hübener's story is in the 2003 documentary Truth & Conviction. In the extras on the DVD you can read original copies of some of his pamphlets in German with the English translation)
Nelson's Dissertation was to show Mormon support for the Nazi's and he earned his PhD, so he has demonstrated he is smart. But I wonder why he didn't use original documents (like Hubener's pamphlets). In historical research it is considered best to go to the original sources.
Mormon Nazis; another great religion thread on FR. Gosh it just doent get any better than that!
I believe it is common knowledge that the Mormons have always been for the establishment of the home land for the Jews, in fact there is a lot of speculation of the Mormons being direct descendants of the Jews.
While this geology thing seemed to be started by the Mormons it has spread to other denominations as well and I have kin that happen to be Christian and not Mormon who will flat deny being a descendent of Israel.
I also have Mormon kin who acknowledge being descendants of a tribe of Israel.
However if this story had of been made known in the fifties it would probably have caused quite a stir, but printing it at a time when over half of the Christian population except for Mormons voted for a communist whose goal it is to put America in a third world category??????
Yep
Great article. Idiots begat idiots. Not a new story. Hecky durn...