[paladinan]

Silly you. Just because she’s the “Queen of Heaven”, who has omniscience to hear all prayers to her made all over the world (even silently), and can get the Son of God to do what she wants, doesn’t mean she is deified.

There's a "rule" on the internet, which I wish I'd saved, about snark being inversely proportional to substance, in internet debates... :)

But to your point: no omnipotence is needed. Mary, and all the Saints, are in Heaven... which is beyond time (and space) completely. There is no past or future; there's only an eternal "now". Mary, for example, doesn't need to handle "millions of prayers per second" (those are scare quotes, not direct quotes, BTW); she has all eternity in which to respond to them. There's no "rushing" or "waiting", etc., in Heaven.

[Boogieman]

“Mary, for example, doesn’t need to handle “millions of prayers per second” (those are scare quotes, not direct quotes, BTW); she has all eternity in which to respond to them.”

Ha! So your concept of heaven is one where Mary is just eternally working her way through an “inbox” that is overflowing, with requests that God (being actually omniscient and omnipotent) could just take care of with no effort at all. I think that is even sillier.

Anyway, you didn’t actually address my point, since my point was about omniscience, not omnipotence. In order to hear prayers from all over the world, especially silent prayers that are made inside a person’s head, requires omniscience, which is one of the attributes of a deity. Saying that there is no time in heaven doesn’t address that difficulty with the Catholic position.

[mlizzy]

There's no "rushing" or "waiting", etc., in Heaven.

Not IN heaven, that's true, but I've heard there's one heckuva "meet and greet" line wrapped thrice around the outside of heaven, packed full of protestants, just waiting, and waiting, and waiting, to see Our Lady.

[daniel1212]

Mary, for example, doesn't need to handle "millions of prayers per second" (those are scare quotes, not direct quotes, BTW); she has all eternity in which to respond to them.

Regardless, where do you ever see anyone but God being addressed in prayer to Heaven, or having the power/ability to hear and respond to multitudinous prayers addressed to them ?

Or even created beings from both realms communicating with each other without both having to somehow be in one of the these realms, unlike God.

[Iscool]

But to your point: no omnipotence is needed. Mary, and all the Saints, are in Heaven... which is beyond time (and space) completely. There is no past or future; there's only an eternal "now". Mary, for example, doesn't need to handle "millions of prayers per second" (those are scare quotes, not direct quotes, BTW); she has all eternity in which to respond to them. There's no "rushing" or "waiting", etc., in Heaven.

That's some pretty poor philosophy there...Time may be meaningless to Mary but it's pretty important to people on earth praying to her...

[RnMomof7]

But to your point: no omnipotence is needed. Mary, and all the Saints, are in Heaven... which is beyond time (and space) completely. There is no past or future; there's only an eternal "now". Mary, for example, doesn't need to handle "millions of prayers per second" (those are scare quotes, not direct quotes, BTW); she has all eternity in which to respond to them. There's no "rushing" or "waiting", etc., in Heaven.

And we "know" this how?? Who has returned to tell us this??

If it is true than God Himself could shelf that attribute right?? Just not necessary ..

[MHGinTN]

"... Mary, and all the Saints, are in Heaven... which is beyond time (and space) completely." And that is very likely a specious remark for which you have zero scriptural support. There are two axioms which I first encountered here at FR, and which have been of immense help in 'getting things into context'. I will share them with you and let you apply them to the discussions found in this thread, since you would not be open to 'instruction' from me, a non-Catholic: Without dimension Time, events do not occur; without dimension Space a thing does not exist.

Apply the axioms to things in the Created Universe, because any thing that exists has some aspect of Space, thus Jesus is in some where/when that has been created and thus is IN the Universe God created 'through Him, by Him, and for Him, and without Him was nothing created.'

You may be sure of this because you KNOW in your heart that God raised Jesus from the dead and that He has a body even unto this day, and He has taken that body across temporal and spatial boundaries yet it still IS a physical (thus a spacetime) body. It is not given to you or me to know the full nature of this other where/when, but rest assured it must have temporal and or spatial reality to exist.

[dartuser]

Heaven... which is beyond time (and space) completely. There is no past or future; there's only an eternal "now".

You have exactly zero Biblical data to support that ...