[ealgeone]

Maybe you should ... get this ... actually ask Catholics and allow for the possibility that they could answer you accurately, and in good faith?

We could start, for example, with a discussion of Luke 1:48.

Yes...let's do this. The only requirement is that keep everything in context. No pulling out just one verse to claim something.

If we do this we will see that Mary was a sinner by her own admission and we will see Mary had other children by proof in the text. We will see we are not to pray to Mary or rely upon Mary for anything.

Yes...let's have this discussion.

[Elsie]

If we do this we will see that Mary was a sinner by her own admission ...

And the Bible's; too.

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Sinless Mary??

 

 

Luke 2:22-24

 

When the time came for the purification rites required by the Law of Moses, Joseph and Mary took him to Jerusalem to present him to the Lord  (as it is written in the Law of the Lord, “Every firstborn male is to be consecrated to the Lord”),  and to offer a sacrifice in keeping with what is said in the Law of the Lord: “a pair of doves or two young pigeons.”

 

Leviticus 12:7-8

 

Then he shall offer it before the LORD and make atonement for her, and she shall be cleansed from the flow of her blood. This is the law for her who bears a child, whether a male or a female.
'But if she cannot afford a lamb, then she shall take two turtledoves or two young pigeons, the one for a burnt offering and the other for a sin offering; and the priest shall make atonement for her, and she will be clean.'"