Posted on 03/23/2015 2:34:33 PM PDT by walkinginthedesert
Ok monarchist. Who should be king of America, and how much power should they have? Must we bow to them and call them sir or lord? Should their title be passed down?
And should they have a cadre of nobles who surround and advise them? Or should they just be one old lonely monarch?
And should they be approved of in some way by a church? I mean, if they represent god, it seems like they shouldn’t be someone the church on earth disapproves of?
Im fascinated by the worldview of children who need a mommy and daddy to care for them. Tell me more.
And I see nothing good in long lasting administrations. Imagine a president who lived 50 years. S C R E W E D.
A government that never goes away, and cannot be changed except by force, or by rebellion against God.
I’m beginning to see the wisdom in beheading Louis XIV, and shooting Anastasia. It’s the only way you can get rid of those pests.
Sorry those are the wrong footnotes it should be
1) Joseph Rickaby “Civil Authority” (The Catholic Encyclopedia 1907)
2) Boniface “Political Authority’s Divine Origin”
3) Joseph Rickaby “Civil Authority” op. cit
4) Michael Davis “The Reign of Christ the King” (TAN Publishers, 1992) pg.12
5) REV. John C. Rager “Catholic Sources and the Declaration of Independence”
6) Ibid
7) Hilaire Belloc “Europe and the Faith” (TAN Publishers, 1920) pg.162
8) John C. Rager “Catholic Sources” op. cit
9) Gerard Wegemer, Thomas More: Portrait of Courage (Scepter, 1998), 131.)
Actually I don’t think a monarchy would work well here. Our historical background and the culture are probably just incompatible with monarchy. Of course that is the reverse of the normal American prejudice which is to insist that every country in the world become another America and adopt our system of government. Different countries are actually different. Government and politics should reflect the local culture and history. That’s why democracy is unlikely to ever work well in some countries and a monarchy in this country is virtually unimaginable.
There is not enough shared culture, values, religious belief and social cohesion for a monarchy to function here.
And longevity in a government wasn’t exactly celebrated by our founders. Jefferson mused about a revolt every 20 years or so.
They gave us a system by which we could modify the republic with amendments and constitutional conventions. They even left us with a right to battlefield weapons so if all else failed, we could shoot the SOBs out of power.
Longevity in government is really not a goal people need beyond a generation unless those people want it to continue. And if here is no way to dispose of a monarchy legally, you cannot know if anyone wants it.
“Of course that is the reverse of the normal American prejudice which is to insist that every country in the world become another America and adopt our system of government”
Inside those foreigners,, is an American, fighting to get out.
“I’m beginning to see the wisdom in beheading Louis XIV, and shooting Anastasia. It’s the only way you can get rid of those pests.”
That could be a direct quote from Lenin. Really you are starting to come across as a foaming at the mouth Jacobin or Communist.
Nope, more like a cider drunk Colonist who would have tarred and feathered and mocked, and maybe have used a belaying pin to crush the skull of any Monarch who claimed the slightest power over me. If they said the power was in the name of God, id hit em twice just on principle.
I’m not a European.
And many of your words could be a direct quote from a loyalist who would have passed word to the British about Minuteman plans.
That’s odd since your rhetoric is decidedly Marxist. I never heard of any colonists who called for the killing of children (Anastasia). You seem to be practically drooling at the thought of murdering the man without whose help we would be opening the Super Bowl every year by singing God Save the Queen. Louis XVI saved our necks. But I gather gratitude carries no weight if the person to whom we are indebted happened to wear a crown.
“And many of your words could be a direct quote from a loyalist who would have passed word to the British about Minuteman plans.”
This from a man who champions the murder America’s only ally. You would have ended our Revolution in British victory, all in the time it takes for a guillotine blade to drop.
I agree completely. Welcome to the FreeRepublic; please stay with us.
I might add: a libertarian will find more in common with a monarchist than with a democrat, simply because the king owns rather than rents the national infrastructure.
If you want to be on this right wing, monarchy, paleolibertarianism and nationalism ping list, but are not, please let me know. If you are on it and want to be off, also let me know. This ping list is not used for Catholic-Protestant, or any other confessional debates.
Here we are discussing finer points and distinctions of monarchism, and while they are, of course, inseparable from Christian theology they need not divide us as bitterly as some purely theological matters.
Add please. Thanks.
Agreed, the fire will be hot when it burns out.
“...the French Revolution is likely the worst disaster to befall Western Civilization since the black Death...”
Post of the day! Many (students in the American public schools, for example) are told that the French Revolution was a good thing and it was NOT!
Heaven is a hierarchy (Christ the King) and pure democracy will always play out to disaster since the average IQ is just above 100 and the people will vote for handouts eventually and the tyrants will keep the handouts rolling to stay in power.
A republic does work - but it WILL devolve into a fascist tyranny because of fallen human nature unless there are definite stops put into the laws; e.g. having to be a landholder to vote, etc. In this age, owning property may not be the best requirement filter, however something ought to be put in place so the completely clueless or illegal can’t vote until the prove they are properly informed on the issues; there should be a literacy of American History test required before someone can vote.
This is the exact reason that Obama and his evil ilk want to overwhelm the voting system with illegals. The most frightening aspect is that their plan is working.
Rather than debating monarchism vs. republicanism vs. democracy, I think that this is the secret of good government. A king or parliament that respects custom and the limits of its power will produce a good government. A king or parliament that does not produces tyranny.
Thank you for posting! Excellent article!
I am printing this out for my daughter who is a junior in high school and is currently taking AP U.S. History. She is a practicing Catholic who cares about her faith and will find this valuable!
But they have the best King possible, something this world won't have until the Second Coming.
“...they have the best King possible...”
Absolutely - excellent point - and ohe that I meant to be inherently understood ...
In the fallen world here, our forms of government will always be flawed, but we can certainly try. Power corrupts those at the top who hold the power due to our fallen nature; whether the power holder is a king, an Obama, etc.
The fact that heaven is a hierarchy suggests that a monarchy here (on earth) could work, but only insofar as the monarch can keep his or her tendency to the capital sins at bay in imitation of Christ the King. In other words, it is not the monarchy concept in and of itself that is off, any human in power can and eventually will be corrupted (look at Obama!) unless they are consciously and deliberately imitating Christ.
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