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To: Mrs. Don-o
And there's no reason not to call Mary Bessed.

And in none of your examples did "blessed are you among women" translate to co mediator, co redeemer, immaculately conceived, ever virgin, dispenser of all graces, queen of heaven, yadda yadda yadda. That is my point though your point that blessed has many uses is true.

603 posted on 03/30/2015 5:06:18 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (Is a Republican who won't call Obama a Muslim worthy of your vote?)
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To: DungeonMaster
In mine at 374, practically any of the meanings of "Blessed" would fit with "Mary," ---- and ought to, since she herself said we would call her "Blessed." The only meanings that cannot fit are the ones that can apply to God alone.

If you would care to look at the prayers recited at the Mass--- in particular Nicene Creed, the Gloria, or the Sanctus --- you will see the kinds of titles or acclamations suitable for God alone: God as absolutely supreme and source of all that exists.

(Most of my posts contain links, and rarely do I see any evidence that anybody has actually gone to the links and learned something. But --- God being my witness--- I keep trying.)

Let's go through your list one by one:

Co mediator - I have never in my life called Mary "co-mediator". This term (or similar) is problematic because it invites misunderstanding: it could have both a doctrinally sound interpretation, and a heretical interpretation. It is not a dogma of the Church and has always been controversial within the Church (because it depends on how you interpret it.).

The sound interpretation would be that she intercedes, just as we all intercede for each other. A reference to her as Mother of Our Savior who offers intercessory prayers for us is the only correct understanding. The term "Mediatrix' is used only once in an official Church document, to my knowledge ---Lumen gentium --- and there it had this explanation:

"This, however, is to be so understood that it neither takes away from nor adds anything to the dignity and efficaciousness of Christ the one Mediator."

In this sense, I can call you a mediator -- if you would be so good as to pray for me.

Co redeemer - the exact same things I said about “Co-Mediator” apply to this, i.e. it is not a dogma of the Church, I have never used it, it invites heretical interpretation, and it has always been controversial in the Church. For instance, in the Middle Ages, Franciscans were for it, Dominicans were against it. They used to debate it at the University of Paris: as I remember, the controversy got so rancorous that eventually the University rectors barred further argument and the term fell into disuse.

As Ott’s “Dogmatics” summarizes --- quoting St. Ambrose-- “the Passion of Christ did not need any assistance.”

Immaculately conceived - Kecharitomene. That’s got deep Biblical roots. I would trace it all the way back to Genesis 3:15 --- the woman with the pure Seed, our Savior Jesus Christ, who would defeat the Satanic serpent. If He is her Seed, she would have to be pure as He is pure, since He has His human nature from her.

Ever virgin - Ever-virgin is evidently what Mary intended to be. There’s no reason for her to say “How can this (conceiving a child) be, since I know not man?” ---if she thought she were soon to be “knowing” with Joseph! Plus, Scripture reveals that “her other children” means, Christian believers (Revelation 12:17 - “Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring—those who keep God’s commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus.”)

Dispenser of all graces - synonym for “Co-Mediator” and the same comments apply: Not a dogma, not defined, could be interpreted one way or another. I consider it problematic for those reasons.

As the Catechism of the Catholic Church, paragraphs 967-970 says, "No creature could ever be counted along with the Incarnate Word and Redeemer; but just as the priesthood of Christ is shared in various ways both by his ministers and the faithful, and as the one goodness of God is radiated in different ways among his creatures, so also the unique mediation of the Redeemer does not exclude but rather gives rise to a manifold cooperation which is but a sharing in this one source."

Queen of heaven - See relevant discussion on Queenship. It would be profitable for you to use your Concordance and look up all the OT verses on Queenship which prefigure Mary. All Scripture is good for teaching (2 Timothy 3:16).

Yadda yadda yadda - Since you concede my point that "blessed has many uses is true,” why don’t you use it in its proper sense when you talk or write about Mary? God evidently wants you to: it's part of Biblical prophecy.

613 posted on 03/30/2015 11:29:56 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("For behold, all generations will call me Blessed." - Mary of Nazareth, the handmaid of the Lord)
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