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To: CynicalBear
And it's becoming rather sad and telling to watch.

So true. And when they can't answer one SIMPLE question, why should anyone give ANY credence to ANYTHING that they say?

Lots of verbiage and absolutely NO substance. No visible means of support.

Hoss

750 posted on 04/03/2015 6:44:54 PM PDT by HossB86 (Christ, and Him alone.)
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To: HossB86; CynicalBear
And when they can't answer one SIMPLE question

Is the simple question "do Catholics and muslims worship the same God?" Because if it is I have a simple answer; no.

The muslims may think they worship God but they don't. Hilaire Belloc's commentary on islam being a heresy of Catholicism though is worth a look:

Mohammedanism was a heresy: that is the essential point to grasp before going any further. It began as a heresy, not as a new religion. It was not a pagan contrast with the Church; it was not an alien enemy. It was a perversion of Christian doctrine. It vitality and endurance soon gave it the appearance of a new religion, but those who were contemporary with its rise saw it for what it was_not a denial, but an adaptation and a misuse, of the Christian thing. It differed from most (not from all) heresies in this, that it did not arise within the bounds of the Christian Church. The chief heresiarch, Mohammed himself, was not, like most heresiarchs, a man of Catholic birth and doctrine to begin with. He sprang from pagans. But that which he taught was in the main Catholic doctrine, oversimplified. It was the great Catholic world_on the frontiers of which he lived, whose influence was all around him and whose territories he had known by travel_which inspired his convictions. He came of, and mixed with, the degraded idolaters of the Arabian wilderness, the conquest of which had never seemed worth the Romans' while.

http://www.ewtn.com/library/HOMELIBR/HERESY4.TXT

Belloc goes on to draw a comparison between islam and Calvinism in terms of enthusiasm and rigor but he also writes this:

He [mohammed] was content to accept all that appealed to him in the Catholic scheme and to reject all that seemed to him, and to so many others of his time, too complicated or mysterious to be true. Simplicity was the note of the whole affair; and since all heresies draw their strength from some true doctrine, Mohammedanism drew its strength from the true Catholic doctrines which it retained: the equality of all men before God_"All true believers are brothers." It zealously preached and throve on the paramount claims of justice, social and economic.

Sounds strangely familiar...

Regardless, islam may have started as a Christian heresy but it has since morphed into its own thing. Paragraph 841 of the CCC is simply... wrong. It does not express the ancient Faith of the Church with fidelity, it doesn't take a rocket surgeon to see that.

753 posted on 04/03/2015 7:47:48 PM PDT by Legatus (I think, therefore you're out of your mind)
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