Posted on 03/26/2015 5:03:18 PM PDT by RnMomof7
Which you have exactly zero Biblical evidence to support.
And none of them are in Rome.
And you have been shown scripture that clearly states it is eternal suffering also yet you ignore it.
And you have been shown scripture that clearly states it is eternal suffering...
And look up the word “death”, “die”, “dies”, etc. in the Word of God and notice the scriptures that include that word that are referring to the fate of the lost. And that fate will be eternal.
If I say I am going to “paint a fence blue for all eternity” do I mean I am going to spend eternity painting the fence? Or do I mean that I am going to paint the fence blue and it will “stay blue for all eternity”?
So,what’s the big issue about Mary and Joseph having sex like any normal married couple and being blessed with children as a result?
But has to do with the fact that the Bible does not say that the ones called brothers and sisters are Marys children.
They may or may not be but personally I do not believe they were and I have gave the reasons.
What a cruel thing to say about step-brothers; that they, for what ever reason, would NOT care for their mom; too.
They would have been younger than Jesus as He was her first born.
Matthew 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment (kolasis): but the righteous into life eternal. Greek - kolasis - Definition: chastisement, punishment, torment [http://biblehub.com/greek/2851.htm]
Understanding the personality of God, what is the fate of the lost? Well, it’s not life, and not life eternal. So what is it? It’s punishment. And what is the punishment? What IS punishment, anyway? What was the fate of those that disobeyed God in the OT? Was it “eternal”? Did they suffer? For how long?
Also: correction, punishment, penalty http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G2851&t=NIV
So, for both the fate is eternal. For one that fate is life. for the other it is something that is not life. It is called Death, perish, destruction all over the bible. The word “penalty” or “punishment” is a generic term, just as “punishment” is generic regarding the death penalty. The penalty is death. The Punishment is death. When you say someone will be punished, you need to ask what that punishment is. In the bible it’s called death a great number of times.
The thing that fascinates me is that so many (I used to) try to redefine “death” to not really mean death. It’s a special biblical only meaning of the word. I don’t buy that. At all.
Maybe they were a LOT older, had families of their own, and traveled separately.
Got Him all figured out there do ya?
>>The thing that fascinates me is that so many (I used to) try to redefine “death” to not really mean death. It’s a special biblical only meaning of the word. I don’t buy that. At all.<<
It's fascinating that those who deny eternal punishment don't see the double speak in their defence of their position. You want to claim that death simply means annihilation. Yet somehow it doesn't mean that all the time. Abraham died, he wasn't annihilated. The rich man died, he wasn't annihilated. They along with Lazarus were quite aware of their surroundings.
Many people have died since creation but we are told they will all be raised. Obviously they were NOT annihilated.
Your double speak is obvious.
Got Him all figured out there do ya?
It’s fascinating that those who deny eternal punishment don’t see the double speak in their defence of their position. You want to claim that death simply means annihilation. Yet somehow it doesn’t mean that all the time. Abraham died, he wasn’t annihilated.
What happens to them is what God said would happen in the Garden of Eden: You will surely die.
You don’t even have to give him your email address to gain access.
The rich man died, he wasn’t annihilated. They along with Lazarus were quite aware of their surroundings.
http://www.biblestudy.org/basicart/rich-man-and-lazarus-parable.html
http://what-the-hell-is-hell.com/HellArticles/RichManParable.htm
Etc.
The rich man died, he wasn’t annihilated. They along with Many people have died since creation but we are told they will all be raised. Obviously they were NOT annihilated.
Your double speak is obvious.
The first death is of the body - the body was annihilated. Something we occupy while in this world. The second death will be of the person that occupied the body - the person will be annihilated.
But the believer will not be annihilated. He will not only receive eternal life, but will be given a new imperishable body! And if that is not something to praise the Lord for, I don’t know what is!
We heard that same type of denial in Genesis when Satan told Eve “Ye shall not surely die”.
Not according to scripture. It says He had brothers and sisters.
We heard that same type of denial in Genesis when Satan told Eve “Ye shall not surely die”.
I’m the one saying they will surely die. I’m saying the exact opposite of Satan. Those that argue eternal, conscious suffering are actually agreeing with Satan. They are saying they will not, in fact, surely die, but suffer for all eternity.
It brings up a related subject: Strongly anti-christianity folks post on a site I frequent. They try to say Christianity is stupid because of the ludicrous (as they see it) loving God that tortures people for all eternity. I tell them that is not what the bible preaches and guess what?
We get into the same argument you and I are getting into. It is IMPERATIVE to them that the bible teaches eternal suffering because that is their greatest hatred of Christianity. When I take the wind out of that particular sail, they lose their hubris.
Go play with someone else. Scripture says “eternal punishment”.
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