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To: Heart-Rest
"Paul never asked Mary what to do....nor did Peter, James, Luke, Matthew, Timothy, Stephen, etc, etc, etc." ============================================================= That is a statement which you have absolutely no way of knowing if it is true or false, so why do you say it, when you don't (and can't possibly) really know?

Actually it is a true statement. We have no record in the Word of anyone praying to Mary or asking Mary to intercede on their behalf for their salvation.

Roman catholicism has taken John 2:5 so far out of context and has built a complete Maryiologial theology out of the text in question.

We have no writings accepted by the early church and declared as canon that show Mary is someone we are to pray to or rely upon for our salvation or that she was immaculately conceived or remained a virgin. None. All were rejected.

Why?

Because the early church rejected these as they knew they were not true.

21 posted on 03/29/2015 6:39:09 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone

“Early church rejected these” ... Really? Usually it takes several years for someone to study the extant writings of the early Church Fathers. If you were making an unfounded assertion (I never do =), well ... it’s never too late to see what they really said at:
http://www.ccel.org/fathers.html


27 posted on 03/29/2015 7:17:45 PM PDT by qwertyz
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To: ealgeone
Actually it is a true statement.

No, it is not.

It is a statement about something which is impossible to know today.

The Bible contains just a minuscule fraction of what all those individuals said in their lifetimes (to Mary, or to anyone else), so nobody on earth today can possibly know what they did or did not say throughout their earthly lives. Most of what they said in their lifetimes is not recorded in the Bible.

In addition to that, most of the prayers those people prayed in their lifetimes is not recorded in the Bible either.

For a person to make a claim one way or the other about those matters is completely unverifiable, foolish and ridiculous, and should be assiduously avoided, as it is not founded on truth, but only on frivolous speculation.

32 posted on 03/29/2015 7:44:18 PM PDT by Heart-Rest ("I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse; therefore choose life." - Deut. 30:19)
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