Posted on 03/31/2015 2:42:14 PM PDT by RnMomof7
Don't know; but I'd say the ones that came after them were few in number.
Amen and Amen!
Yes. The Eucharist is worship. Not sure anyone would have an issue with worshiping a Holy God.
Frankly, my dear, I have reached an age where I do not care what others think. I am old enough to know what I have been most of my life and they do not matter. I just feel sorry for them for not realizing what a treasure I am. : ) I was in high school when a fake 1960 election was held. I voted for Nixon when Republican was a very dirty word in my area. It is odd that most of the people from back then are Christian Conservatives today. Have a blessed day.
Exodus 32:4-6 And he received them at their hand, and fashioned it with a graving tool, after he had made it a molten calf: and they said, These be thy gods, O Israel, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt. (5) And when Aaron saw it, he built an altar before it; and Aaron made proclamation, and said, To morrow is a feast to the LORD. (6) And they rose up early on the morrow, and offered burnt offerings, and brought peace offerings; and the people sat down to eat and to drink, and rose up to play.So even though Aaron tried to paper it over as a "feast to the LORD," it was still idolatry, and it was still punished by God as idolatry. There are some things God just does not want us to do, no matter how good we think our intentions are. Why folks tempt Him in that area is beyond me. The wafer is not God. No one should give it homage. God rules from His throne in Heaven, and the resurrected, corporeal Jesus is there with Him, at His right hand, not located in any number of monstrances designed after the pattern of sun worship. Worship directed to anything less than the one true God, no matter how well intended, is the worst of sins. We have an issue with that.
I hope that such proclamation of truth and discrediting of falsehood will be sober. More people would take the Religion Forum more seriously if the conversation were more serious and less angry, sarcastic, barbed, and vengeful.
Do you, reader, oppose indifferentism? Take care that what you post in the Religion Forum differs from the brawling of the world. (The Religion Moderator profile isn't full of regulations just for fun. I have been tempted to misquote "where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.") If your faith doesn't seem to make much difference in your posting and thus in your life, a lurker just may conclude interesting things about your faith or your God.
So they took the bull which was given them, and they prepared it, and called on the name of Baal from morning even till noon, saying, "O Baal, hear us!" But there was no voice; no one answered. Then they leaped about the altar which they had made. And so it was, at noon, that Elijah mocked them and said, "Cry aloud, for he is a god; either he is meditating, or he is busy, or he is on a journey, or perhaps he is sleeping and must be awakened." (1 Kings 18:26-27)Seeing Elijah outright mocks the prophets of Baal, we understand that mocking idolatry is a valid style of criticism. So I'm not willing to say that any particular style is inherently wrong. There are plenty of examples in Scripture of not pulling punches, like Jesus clearing out the temple, calling the Pharisees vipers, Paul openly hoping the judaizers would injure themselves, etc. Not that we are in a position to copy everything they do. Just that the style can't be inherently wrong if they used it.
AT ALL??
utterly removes
Know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which is of God, and ye are not your own>" (1 Cor. 6:19 AV)
ye/you/your = plural
body = singular
Has nothing to do with a building
Oh!
I quite agree!!
But some folks find it hard to agree on what actually constitutes worship in some instances.
If you take the axe (of Scripture) to someone's dressing table (ill-thought-out response) he/she might consider it a wound to one's vanity.
Oh!
I hear ya!!!
Luke 18:9-14 (NIV)
9 To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everyone else, Jesus told this parable: 10 “Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11 The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other people—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. 12 I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.’
13 “But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’
14 “I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.”
Or a wafer...
Happy Good Friday....eve
Yup
So I'm not willing to say that any particular style is inherently wrong. There are plenty of examples in Scripture of not pulling punches, like Jesus clearing out the temple, calling the Pharisees vipers, Paul openly hoping the judaizers would injure themselves, etc. Not that we are in a position to copy everything they do. Just that the style can't be inherently wrong if they used it.
I'd agree to a certain point (though maybe our precise interpretations don't exactly align--for a number of reasons, I don't see Paul as "openly hoping" but instead using what we may call a particularly "pungent" phrasing).
That "certain point" isn't to contradict anything that you've actually said but to contradict something that goes beyond what you said, namely an idea that the normative Christian ideal would be using the "pungent" indiscriminately.
A silver lining of my noticing what goes on in the Religion Forum is that I've reviewed some parts of the Bible, particularly the New Testament letters, concerning speech and related conduct.
It's interesting to compare these passages to certain posts around here. For example, Paul told the Phillippians (4:5), "Let your moderation be known unto all men [newer translations usually use a wording related to 'gentleness']." I notice this verse especially in light of what reputation the Religion Forum has acquired among some members of this site, a reputation that I would say is not fully undeserved. How do outsiders (as in lurkers on the site or people who avoid the Religion Forum) "know" the forum?
I'll respond to your last paragraph later, when I have a little more time.
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